Prohibited Milsurp Question

There is no way for a voter who is not the holder of a prohibited permit to ever gain possession of a prohibited firearm. Even with the intention of dewating it. No smithy would ever allow an illegally held firearm into his shop either.
In any case, if the cops had it five years, it's already part of a car.
"...Magna Charta has..." The Magna Carta had nothing whatever to do with the rights of you peasants. You peasants had no rights. The Carta dealt only with the rights of the English Barons.
 
Makes me grateful I live south of the border. My Ingles Bren is fun to shoot.
Now if only I could find some live rounds for the PIAT and the 2 inch mortar;)
 
Speak to a dealer you trust. They might be able to help you register it under their title and might even be willing to send it to a Gunsmith to have it deactivated.

Generally the RCMP are pretty good about these things as it gets an un-papered firearms off the street.

It might not be as easy with a Bren Gun, but this happens all the time with P08's and other Prohib pistols with estate sales.
 
smellie said:
I have Prohibs and I'm not very happy about it: half my handguns, my Reising and my competition rifle, all Prohibbed after I bought them. In some cases, values reduced 90%...... and yet Magna Charta has said for 798 years that the Crown will not do that to me, nor to you.

Plan C is not the best option in this country.

"When three conspire against the State, two are policemen and the other a fool." - Russian proverb

This is Canada.

You have the right to have ### with anything that swims, crawls or walks. You have the right to kill unborn children the day before they would be born. If you want to get elected, you can promise the people anything and deliver nothing..... and the courts will call it a "mere puff". If you are well-connected politically, you have the right to steal a billion dollars and then sue the people who query your honesty.

But you do NOT have the right to possess peacefully in your own home the same instruments you buy for our military and police.

This is a FREE country, remember?

Tace ut potes.
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I tried to +1 or like this post, but then I remembered it's not facebook. damn.
 
Why is a Bren prohibited anyway? Just because of the full auto, can it not be converted to semi... or is it some other feature? [I mean other than it looking insanely cool ~ translate to 'scary' for the libs]
 
As per the antis, it is designed to kill humans and not for hunting. Must be banned.
 
RedRabbits said:
I'd sell my soul for a Bren...
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Second that...

It's really too bad that they won't compromise and come up with a way to allow legal ownership of F/A here. I for one would jump through a lot of loops to be able to own and shoot one, it would definitely bet most prized possession. Why not do what they do in the US? Charge an inane amount of tax to the would be owner and make them put in a bunch of work to show that they are serious about owning F/As. Maybe even have to prove safe storage before a transfer could happen or something. I'd do that!

Also who says a Bren's not for hunting? They've got a semi switch don't they? Make a fun varminter!
 
RedRabbits said:
I'd sell my soul for a Bren...
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I told this story once before on here, but when I was cleaning out my grampas barn a couple years ago, I found an stg 44, a bren, a vickers, a dewat maxim, a lahti and a couple others. The RCMP took everything but the lahti and the dewat so we got to keep that at least. I wish I had kept my mouth shut
 
So $12,000 or so of your PRIVATE PROPERTY was taken by the Government and you were not reimbursed?

Sounds about right for the sorry mess we live in.

Should claim it as a tax deduction: donation to the RCMP Museum.

Revenue Canada would scream themselves silly!
 
smellie said:
So $12,000 or so of your PRIVATE PROPERTY was taken by the Government and you were not reimbursed?

Sounds about right for the sorry mess we live in.

Should claim it as a tax deduction: donation to the RCMP Museum.

Revenue Canada would scream themselves silly!
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I had tried to register them because they were sitting in that barn since the 60's probably (or earlier) but the RCMP weren't having any of that and promptly confiscated them and giving me a 'warning' instead of being charged
 
It's not up to RCMP. The door to register CA was permanently shut way back in the 90's. Only politicians can undo the 12(X) law, not police.
 
sean69 said:
Sounds like a letter or two [or a thousand] to our MPs!
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I'm going to write a sternly worded letter! And if they ignore it, or simply quote the criminal code instead of actually giving a real answer: I'm going to write out another 40.. By hand! That way, they can't ignore me lol
 
mrbeil said:
I'm going to write a sternly worded letter! And if they ignore it, or simply quote the criminal code instead of actually giving a real answer: I'm going to write out another 40.. By hand! That way, they can't ignore me lol
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While you are writing letters, you may want to write letter to your MP regarding the impending Swiss Arms gun grab that may unfold shortly.
 
smellie said:
i have prohibs and i'm not very happy about it: Half my handguns, my reising and my competition rifle, all prohibbed after i bought them. In some cases, values reduced 90%...... And yet magna charta has said for 798 years that the crown will not do that to me, nor to you.

Plan c is not the best option in this country.

"when three conspire against the state, two are policemen and the other a fool." - russian proverb

this is canada.

You have the right to have ### with anything that swims, crawls or walks. You have the right to kill unborn children the day before they would be born. If you want to get elected, you can promise the people anything and deliver nothing..... And the courts will call it a "mere puff". If you are well-connected politically, you have the right to steal a billion dollars and then sue the people who query your honesty.

But you do not have the right to possess peacefully in your own home the same instruments you buy for our military and police.

This is a free country, remember?

Tace ut potes.
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i agree
 
Although the following do not put it in your hands, they at least can prevent destruction.

Another option for a live unregistered full-auto is that it can be donated to a military museum or to a civilian museum which has a firearms business licence. They should pick it up of course.

There are some caveats though.

A military museum in Canada may have full autos/prohibs in several ways:
1. Issued by the government and held on a Distribution Account (e.g. recently surplus items still in the system e.g. SMG C1, FNC2A1 etc.)
2. Put on the DND museum inventory whereby they are tracked by the Canadian Forces Artifact Management System (CFAMS). In this case they are permanently on DND charge and can never revert to private ownership.
3. Held under a Firearms Business Licence and owned by a regimental museum association/society/foundation. Although it says "firearms business licence" (I held two for two museum I was running) it seems to be like the word "prohibited" i.e. redefined by the Federal Government. I never tested it but have heard that it was in some ways at least "once in, never out".

The advantage here for option 3 is that the regimental association (or whichever non-profit society) has ownership control. Ottawa can't come in and say - "We are ordering you to send that rare prototype whatever to the 'XYZ' regular force muilitary museum on the other side of the country." Another big concern is that if a militia unit is deactivated, and Ottawa owns the collection, the contents of the museum could be moved to wherever NDHQ wants e.g. when CFB Chilliwack in BC was closed, the entire Engineers' (CME) Museum was moved to CFB Gagetown, New Brunswick. That may not sound too bad as the CME are a national Corps however an idiotic Director of the Vancouver Museum years previously had decided to transfer all of their militarey artifacts to the CME Museum when it was in nearby Chilliwack, thus some of Vancouver area's military artifacts went to New Brunswick! If a society owns the collwction, the old boys of the regiment can maintian the museum locally if they so choose. Regimental pride and all that.

Civilian museums are an option but are not recommended for ex-military firearms even though they SHOULD have representations of these guns used by or against many of their citizens. The current Curator might be quite keen but I can almost guarantee that that person's successors will not be and some would happily get rid of all of the guns in the collection or at the very least deactivate them. This is partly because of the former Liberal Governments' brainwashing the Canadian people into thinking that all firearms (except those belonging to them, the Government) were evil, and partly because of the red-tape involved (museums are always overworked and understaffed). I know of cases where museums got rid of fireamrs in an anti-gun attitude and in another case when I took over a civilian museum, I found the bayonets and swords locked up, but the firearms were hidden (unlocked) behind a sort of false wall and ignored. When I found them, there were rat footprints in the dust on them and most had serious surface rust and damage to the finish.
 
Yes, the museum route is something I wish was more well known. There are always options to prevent the destruction of historically significant firearms. I work with a firearms museum out here that is basically born out of the necessity to keep this stuff around. There was and still is too much of it getting torched.

seaforth72 said:
3. Held under a Firearms Business Licence and owned by a regimental museum association/society/foundation. Although it says "firearms business licence" (I held two for two museum I was running) it seems to be like the word "prohibited" i.e. redefined by the Federal Government. I never tested it but have heard that it was in some ways at least "once in, never out".
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Essentially what happens is, if it was a grandfathered firearm (ie privately owned), it loses grandfathered status when it goes onto a business firearms licence. If it was unregistered, it wasn't grandfathered anyway, so there's little distinction. Once a prohibited firearm is on a business firearms licence, it cannot revert to private ownership as a result of no longer being grandfathered. There are some positives to this in some respects, as at least you know that a museum isn't selling unwanted prohibs or anything like that. But as you say, if the museum organization is not serious about firearm preservation as a whole, you can run into mismanagement or neglect. I've certainly heard some horror stories.
 
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