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I made this up a couple months ago on glass bedding and thought you guys would enjoy it. I kinda got carried away with the keyboard though. This is a right up about glass bedding on the 10/22
In short
1. Prepare stock for glass bedding my making a barrel channel in the fore arm of the stock about 1/8” deep and about 3 – 3 ½ inches forward of the recoil lug
2. For glass bedding the rear of the action make a channel for the bedding material to go about 1/8 of an inch deep and about ¼ - 1/8 deep. Make channel extent up the sides about 3 inches or so on either side and across the back
3. Use any old washer for a pillar and where the takedown screw goes make a spot for the pillar so that it sits equal or a bit higher than the surrounding wood so that the action screw/v-block can not squish surrounding wood
4. When you are ready to glass bed, apply 2-3 coats of release agent to any metal parts that could come in contact with the bedding material. You can not use enough release agent.
5. Remove bolt, trigger group, and all other parts from the reciever.
6. Place masking tape around wood so that any extra glass bedding material goes on the tape and not on the stock.
7. Place modeling clay around all areas that are going to be bedded to insure that no access bedding will get into any places that you do not want them to go. When bedding the rear of the reciever, place modeling clay in trigger group pin holes, bolt buffer hole, and a bit on the underside of the reciever.
8. I would bed the fore-arm of the stock and pillar bed first and then do the rear of the stock.
9. Place epoxy in barrel channel so that when you snug the takedown screw, epoxy comes out the side of the stock onto the tape. Also place pillar in hole (when you adding clay make sure that you put some in there so that no epoxy can fill the takedown screw). Epoxy the pillar in place.
10. After you have filled the fore-arm and the pillar with epoxy snug the takedown screw a fair bit and leave gun for about three and a half or four hours for the epoxy to dry.
11. After that is done, try taking out the barreled action to make sure that everything can still come out. If everything is all right, put it back in the stock and let it sit for about a day.
12. To bed the rear of the reciever, place enough epoxy in and around the channels (with release agent on) and place barreled action in stock. Let the gun sit for about three and half or four hours again and try taking it out to make sure everything is all right.
12. Give the gun about three days for the glass bedding to completely dry and go shoot it; You should see an improvement in accuracy.
Ok, I kind of went crazy typing below but what the heck
Project 10/22 – A quest for accuracy :t
LONG VERSION
This was my first time glass bedding btw
CAUTION::!!! I GOT VERY CARRIED AWAY WITH THE KEYBOARD TYPING
Introduction
I have had my 10/22 for about a month or two now and so far I have been fairly pleased with the accuracy. I could get fairly small groups at 50 yards but I had seen a lot better shooting from people with the same set up. I still had my factory stock laying around so I did a bit of research and after that I found out that a good way to make my 10/22 more accurate would be to glass bed and pillar bed it. I had a revival industries stock on my 10/22 but I decided that I would first try glass bedding and pillar bedding my factory stock because I did not want to wreck my Revival industries stock.
Why Pillar and glass bedding?
So why does pillar and glass bedding improve accuracy? It is generally accepted that glass bedding any rifle should improve accuracy if done right. How much more accurate would depend on the fit between the action and the stock before glass bedding. If it is a real tight fit, maybe glass bedding will not improve accuracy a whole lot, but if it is a loose and sloppy fit, glass bedding will usually make it more accurate. One thing that I noticed about both my factory stock and my Revival Industries Yukon stock was that when I put them into the barreled action, they would just slide right in with no fitting at all required. What glass bedding does is it makes the fit between the stock and the barreled action tighter which in turn which keeps the barrel vibrations the same so that it will not move around in the stock. If the stock is touching the wood when the gun is fired the wood may (will) prevent the barrel from vibrating the same way each shot. While the barrel vibrates a lot with a little (sporter) barrel, believe it or not, the bull barrel still vibrates a little. If the barrel can not vibrate the same every shot, this will cause a change in P.O.I (or point of impact). This is the reason why glass bedding will help to improve accuracy. Another reason is because with bull barrels, if they are free floated, this will cause a lot of stress on the action because it is made of thin aluminum on the 10/22 reciever. However, if you glass bed the stock this will create a spot where the barrel can rest on and not create and stress on the action.
The reason that pillar bedding a stock will help is because when you tighten the takedown screw (or action screw), you are actually squishing some of the wood that is between the stock and the v-block each time. This may not seem like a big deal but actually it can cause a lot of stress on the stock and eventually can remove a lot of wood. With pillar bedding, the action will rest on the pillar instead of the stock which will help spread out the weight. Another reason pillar bedding will help is it will help to retain P.O.I when the stock is reinstalled in the barreled action. You will sometimes notice that after many times of taking you 10/22 apart, that the take-down screw is becoming longer and longer. The reason for this is because each time you are taking down the take-down screw, you are squishing some of the wood underneath. A pillar will prevent this from happening, and in turn will also improve accuracy.
Free floating the stock
So with my factory stock I opened up the barrel channel to just over .920 so that the stock was free floated and then I made some finger groves to add to looks and overall feel. To open up the barrel channel I used 100 grit sand paper. It would have been a fair bit easier to do this with 60 grit sandpaper and finish it off with 400 grit. It would also be fairly easy to use a chisel to open up the barrel channel. Too open up the barrel channel I used a dowel (I found that a broom handle was 7/8 in diameter) as a guide and was constantly checking to see how close I was to achieving getting the barrel channel about .93 - .94” in diameter. This took a fairly long time to do (about 2 hours after everything was done. After glass bedding and pillar bedding you will want the rest of the stock free floated because it prevents the stock from touching the barrel and causing different vibrations.
Taking the finish off
Now that I was done, I noticed that in quite a few places the finish on the stock was scraped off from working on it. After seeing this I decided that I would take the rest of the finish completely off and either stain it or paint it. So I sanded down the finish on it with the 100 grit paper I had until there was little to no varnish left on it. I did a final finish with 400 grit. After looking over the stock a couple of times I noticed how nice the grain on it was and decided that I would use a Semi-transparent stain to stain it. This way I would still see the grain through it. I decided that I wound not finish the stock yet, but instead wait until after I was completely done the glass bedding and pillar bedding.
Preparing the stock
I decided that I was now ready to prepare the stock for glass bedding and the pillar bedding. The first thing I did was make sure that I knew what I was doing and after making sure of that, I prepared my materials. I would first start by getting the barrel channel ready for the stock by scraping out wood. Then I would get the rear of the stock ready and then I would get the pillar ready after that. My materials that I got ready were: A drill, sand-paper and a chisel. Unfortunately I do not have many tools so I was limited to what I used but I think a dremel tool would work great for a lot of this. Since this was my first stock ever glass bedding or pillar bedding I was not quite sure of how to do it completely right but I went ahead and did it. First, I made a small channel about 1/8” deep for bedding about 3 to 3 ½ inches long in front of the barrel lug. I found that the chisel worked well for getting rid of some of this wood. I made the cannel about a 1/8 of an inch deeper than the surrounding wood. I dug out the sides a bit as well all the way up to about ¼ of an inch away from the top of the sides of the stock.
Now that I was done with that, I went ahead and started to make my channel for glass bedding at the rear of the stock. I wanted the channel to be about 1/8 wide and about 1/8 deep but not having any proper tools to complete this, it turned out to be a bit deeper and about ¼ wide. The channel does not have to be completely strait, it can be at a bit of an angle. I found that I had lot of trouble getting the drill bit in the area that I wanted to bed but after a bit it got easier and I finally got it done. The area that I did with the drill turned out to be a bit “zig-zaggy” but I thought that this would be fine. I made the channel at the rear of the receiver (shown in the pictures below) and extended it about ¾ of an inch to an inch, up the side of the receiver. For extra support, I also made a spot about 2 inches up from that about ¾ of an inch long, also seen in the pictures below.
Next step was to prepare the stock for pillar bedding. Although this would seem to be the easiest step, I found it to be one of the hardest because I did not have any proper tools. I was originally planning to use a normal ¾ inch (diameter) by about 1/8" or 1/16” thick but I accidentally made the hole a bit too deep for It so I was forced to use something else. What I finally did was found a washer and a nut and glued them together (glued the washer on top of the nut. The washer was larger in diameter than the nut but it all worked out). This set up worked good for the pillar.
I then ordered the glass bedding kit (wish I had done that before hand)
In the mean time, I decided that I would shoot my 10/22. So I put the my factory stock back on (with the pillar in place but not epoxyed in) and tightened up the take-down screw. With the pillar in place, I could already see a little improvement in the accuracy of it. I was now really getting excited about the “experiment”.
The project begins…
After 2 days of waiting (what seemed like 2 weeks), I finally got my glass bedding kit (brownells acra-glass gel). Along with that order, I also ordered some Burris rings to go with my 10/22. I decided (when I got the kit) That I would first glass bed the pillar and the barrel channel, and after that was completed, I would glass bed the rear of the receiver. The first thing I did was I put masking tape all around the wood that was around the place where I was going to bed. You can see pictures of where I put the masking tape. The next thing I did (very important!!!) is I put the release agent that was included in the kit on all the metal parts that would come in contact with the bedding material. To do this I put three coats to make sure of no mistakes. I would put one coat on with a q-tip and then wait 10 minutes before putting another coat on to ensure that it had proper drying time. I could tell if it was dry by touching it; when it felt dry (which was after about 3 minutes) I left it for another 6 or 7 minutes to make sure that it was completely dry.
My next step was to put modeling clay around the area where I was bedding to make sure that no access bedding would get onto the wood or into the v-block area. I put clay on the v-block, on the other side of the bedding channel, and a little on the underside of the nut and washer that would be used as a pillar. Now that I was confident to start.
Since I had a lot to bed, I made quite a bit of bedding material. I mixed about one and a half tablespoons of each material and gave it a good mix for about 3-4 minutes. After I had finished stirring, I went right ahead and applied the material to the bedding channel. I also covered my pillar in epoxy and put it in the hole. Next, I put the barreled (receiver and barrel only; not the trigger or bolt) in the stock. When I pushed down on the barrel there was some epoxy that had squished out so I snugged the take-down screw and left it.
After about three and a half hours I decided that I would take the barrel off and check to see if everything was going all right. I first tried taking it off and thought “wow” it was sure tight, but after I dropped the gun on cement from about 1/8 of an inch off the ground, it came out (still with some difficulty). Everything looked ok (except for a few cosmetic problems but I was not too worried about them) so I tried putting the barrel back into the stock
The next morning, I got up and started right away to start working on the project. I removed any excess clay and release agent off of the barrel and stock with tooth-picks and to remove the release agent, I just used my nails to peal it off. After cleanup was done,
Bedding the Rear of the reciever
I put three coats of release agent on to (and inside) the receiver. I also filled the trigger group pins and bolt buffer with modeling clay. After that was done, I mixed up my acaraglas gel and tried my best to fill all the holes that I had dug out. I ended up filling the holes and spreading it across where there were no holes as well. After that I put the receiver on and put tape around the back of the receiver and around the forearm of the stock and the barrel and waited for about four and a half hours for the bedding material to dry a bit so I could check if everything was alright. It was fine.
Putting the action back together
After all this was complete, I put the action back together. To do this I first cleaned off the inside of the receiver and then I began to put it back together. To do this I first put the rod back and the bolt handle back in. Once that was done, I pulled back on the handle and the rod until it could not come back anymore. I held the rod in that position and put the bolt carefully in and pushed it down into its “slot”. I then moved the handle back and forth to check if it was working all right and sure enough it was. My next step was to put the trigger group back in. I first put in the front pin; to do this I slid the bolt back and held it there and pushed up on the trigger until the trigger pin holes lined up. I put the front pin in and then after that I put the rear pin in. After this I reinstalled the bolt buffer and put back the magazine. I was now done putting the action together. You may want to do this whole process again to fill in any holes or gaps that you missed the first time. This should make the action/barrel to stock fit even tighter.
Conclusion
Now wait about 3 days for the epoxy to completely dry and go out and shoot it. You should notice a difference. I sure did. My groups definitely got smaller. And most of all, have fun while you’re at it
Hope this helps and free feel to ask any questions
I will be working on the trigger next
I will also try to get some pictures to post on here.
I am not quite finished the project yet. I want to go back and re-glass bed it to fill in some of the gaps that i missed before.
As you can see, its not the nicest looking glass bed job in the world but it worked so i am happy'
Here are some pictures as promiced. Sorry it took so long...
I still need to fix it up a bit with a dremel tool or a file but i can do that later...
In short
1. Prepare stock for glass bedding my making a barrel channel in the fore arm of the stock about 1/8” deep and about 3 – 3 ½ inches forward of the recoil lug
2. For glass bedding the rear of the action make a channel for the bedding material to go about 1/8 of an inch deep and about ¼ - 1/8 deep. Make channel extent up the sides about 3 inches or so on either side and across the back
3. Use any old washer for a pillar and where the takedown screw goes make a spot for the pillar so that it sits equal or a bit higher than the surrounding wood so that the action screw/v-block can not squish surrounding wood
4. When you are ready to glass bed, apply 2-3 coats of release agent to any metal parts that could come in contact with the bedding material. You can not use enough release agent.
5. Remove bolt, trigger group, and all other parts from the reciever.
6. Place masking tape around wood so that any extra glass bedding material goes on the tape and not on the stock.
7. Place modeling clay around all areas that are going to be bedded to insure that no access bedding will get into any places that you do not want them to go. When bedding the rear of the reciever, place modeling clay in trigger group pin holes, bolt buffer hole, and a bit on the underside of the reciever.
8. I would bed the fore-arm of the stock and pillar bed first and then do the rear of the stock.
9. Place epoxy in barrel channel so that when you snug the takedown screw, epoxy comes out the side of the stock onto the tape. Also place pillar in hole (when you adding clay make sure that you put some in there so that no epoxy can fill the takedown screw). Epoxy the pillar in place.
10. After you have filled the fore-arm and the pillar with epoxy snug the takedown screw a fair bit and leave gun for about three and a half or four hours for the epoxy to dry.
11. After that is done, try taking out the barreled action to make sure that everything can still come out. If everything is all right, put it back in the stock and let it sit for about a day.
12. To bed the rear of the reciever, place enough epoxy in and around the channels (with release agent on) and place barreled action in stock. Let the gun sit for about three and half or four hours again and try taking it out to make sure everything is all right.
12. Give the gun about three days for the glass bedding to completely dry and go shoot it; You should see an improvement in accuracy.
Ok, I kind of went crazy typing below but what the heck
Project 10/22 – A quest for accuracy :t
LONG VERSION
This was my first time glass bedding btw
CAUTION::!!! I GOT VERY CARRIED AWAY WITH THE KEYBOARD TYPING
Introduction
I have had my 10/22 for about a month or two now and so far I have been fairly pleased with the accuracy. I could get fairly small groups at 50 yards but I had seen a lot better shooting from people with the same set up. I still had my factory stock laying around so I did a bit of research and after that I found out that a good way to make my 10/22 more accurate would be to glass bed and pillar bed it. I had a revival industries stock on my 10/22 but I decided that I would first try glass bedding and pillar bedding my factory stock because I did not want to wreck my Revival industries stock.
Why Pillar and glass bedding?
So why does pillar and glass bedding improve accuracy? It is generally accepted that glass bedding any rifle should improve accuracy if done right. How much more accurate would depend on the fit between the action and the stock before glass bedding. If it is a real tight fit, maybe glass bedding will not improve accuracy a whole lot, but if it is a loose and sloppy fit, glass bedding will usually make it more accurate. One thing that I noticed about both my factory stock and my Revival Industries Yukon stock was that when I put them into the barreled action, they would just slide right in with no fitting at all required. What glass bedding does is it makes the fit between the stock and the barreled action tighter which in turn which keeps the barrel vibrations the same so that it will not move around in the stock. If the stock is touching the wood when the gun is fired the wood may (will) prevent the barrel from vibrating the same way each shot. While the barrel vibrates a lot with a little (sporter) barrel, believe it or not, the bull barrel still vibrates a little. If the barrel can not vibrate the same every shot, this will cause a change in P.O.I (or point of impact). This is the reason why glass bedding will help to improve accuracy. Another reason is because with bull barrels, if they are free floated, this will cause a lot of stress on the action because it is made of thin aluminum on the 10/22 reciever. However, if you glass bed the stock this will create a spot where the barrel can rest on and not create and stress on the action.
The reason that pillar bedding a stock will help is because when you tighten the takedown screw (or action screw), you are actually squishing some of the wood that is between the stock and the v-block each time. This may not seem like a big deal but actually it can cause a lot of stress on the stock and eventually can remove a lot of wood. With pillar bedding, the action will rest on the pillar instead of the stock which will help spread out the weight. Another reason pillar bedding will help is it will help to retain P.O.I when the stock is reinstalled in the barreled action. You will sometimes notice that after many times of taking you 10/22 apart, that the take-down screw is becoming longer and longer. The reason for this is because each time you are taking down the take-down screw, you are squishing some of the wood underneath. A pillar will prevent this from happening, and in turn will also improve accuracy.
Free floating the stock
So with my factory stock I opened up the barrel channel to just over .920 so that the stock was free floated and then I made some finger groves to add to looks and overall feel. To open up the barrel channel I used 100 grit sand paper. It would have been a fair bit easier to do this with 60 grit sandpaper and finish it off with 400 grit. It would also be fairly easy to use a chisel to open up the barrel channel. Too open up the barrel channel I used a dowel (I found that a broom handle was 7/8 in diameter) as a guide and was constantly checking to see how close I was to achieving getting the barrel channel about .93 - .94” in diameter. This took a fairly long time to do (about 2 hours after everything was done. After glass bedding and pillar bedding you will want the rest of the stock free floated because it prevents the stock from touching the barrel and causing different vibrations.
Taking the finish off
Now that I was done, I noticed that in quite a few places the finish on the stock was scraped off from working on it. After seeing this I decided that I would take the rest of the finish completely off and either stain it or paint it. So I sanded down the finish on it with the 100 grit paper I had until there was little to no varnish left on it. I did a final finish with 400 grit. After looking over the stock a couple of times I noticed how nice the grain on it was and decided that I would use a Semi-transparent stain to stain it. This way I would still see the grain through it. I decided that I wound not finish the stock yet, but instead wait until after I was completely done the glass bedding and pillar bedding.
Preparing the stock
I decided that I was now ready to prepare the stock for glass bedding and the pillar bedding. The first thing I did was make sure that I knew what I was doing and after making sure of that, I prepared my materials. I would first start by getting the barrel channel ready for the stock by scraping out wood. Then I would get the rear of the stock ready and then I would get the pillar ready after that. My materials that I got ready were: A drill, sand-paper and a chisel. Unfortunately I do not have many tools so I was limited to what I used but I think a dremel tool would work great for a lot of this. Since this was my first stock ever glass bedding or pillar bedding I was not quite sure of how to do it completely right but I went ahead and did it. First, I made a small channel about 1/8” deep for bedding about 3 to 3 ½ inches long in front of the barrel lug. I found that the chisel worked well for getting rid of some of this wood. I made the cannel about a 1/8 of an inch deeper than the surrounding wood. I dug out the sides a bit as well all the way up to about ¼ of an inch away from the top of the sides of the stock.
Now that I was done with that, I went ahead and started to make my channel for glass bedding at the rear of the stock. I wanted the channel to be about 1/8 wide and about 1/8 deep but not having any proper tools to complete this, it turned out to be a bit deeper and about ¼ wide. The channel does not have to be completely strait, it can be at a bit of an angle. I found that I had lot of trouble getting the drill bit in the area that I wanted to bed but after a bit it got easier and I finally got it done. The area that I did with the drill turned out to be a bit “zig-zaggy” but I thought that this would be fine. I made the channel at the rear of the receiver (shown in the pictures below) and extended it about ¾ of an inch to an inch, up the side of the receiver. For extra support, I also made a spot about 2 inches up from that about ¾ of an inch long, also seen in the pictures below.
Next step was to prepare the stock for pillar bedding. Although this would seem to be the easiest step, I found it to be one of the hardest because I did not have any proper tools. I was originally planning to use a normal ¾ inch (diameter) by about 1/8" or 1/16” thick but I accidentally made the hole a bit too deep for It so I was forced to use something else. What I finally did was found a washer and a nut and glued them together (glued the washer on top of the nut. The washer was larger in diameter than the nut but it all worked out). This set up worked good for the pillar.
I then ordered the glass bedding kit (wish I had done that before hand)
In the mean time, I decided that I would shoot my 10/22. So I put the my factory stock back on (with the pillar in place but not epoxyed in) and tightened up the take-down screw. With the pillar in place, I could already see a little improvement in the accuracy of it. I was now really getting excited about the “experiment”.
The project begins…
After 2 days of waiting (what seemed like 2 weeks), I finally got my glass bedding kit (brownells acra-glass gel). Along with that order, I also ordered some Burris rings to go with my 10/22. I decided (when I got the kit) That I would first glass bed the pillar and the barrel channel, and after that was completed, I would glass bed the rear of the receiver. The first thing I did was I put masking tape all around the wood that was around the place where I was going to bed. You can see pictures of where I put the masking tape. The next thing I did (very important!!!) is I put the release agent that was included in the kit on all the metal parts that would come in contact with the bedding material. To do this I put three coats to make sure of no mistakes. I would put one coat on with a q-tip and then wait 10 minutes before putting another coat on to ensure that it had proper drying time. I could tell if it was dry by touching it; when it felt dry (which was after about 3 minutes) I left it for another 6 or 7 minutes to make sure that it was completely dry.
My next step was to put modeling clay around the area where I was bedding to make sure that no access bedding would get onto the wood or into the v-block area. I put clay on the v-block, on the other side of the bedding channel, and a little on the underside of the nut and washer that would be used as a pillar. Now that I was confident to start.
Since I had a lot to bed, I made quite a bit of bedding material. I mixed about one and a half tablespoons of each material and gave it a good mix for about 3-4 minutes. After I had finished stirring, I went right ahead and applied the material to the bedding channel. I also covered my pillar in epoxy and put it in the hole. Next, I put the barreled (receiver and barrel only; not the trigger or bolt) in the stock. When I pushed down on the barrel there was some epoxy that had squished out so I snugged the take-down screw and left it.
After about three and a half hours I decided that I would take the barrel off and check to see if everything was going all right. I first tried taking it off and thought “wow” it was sure tight, but after I dropped the gun on cement from about 1/8 of an inch off the ground, it came out (still with some difficulty). Everything looked ok (except for a few cosmetic problems but I was not too worried about them) so I tried putting the barrel back into the stock
The next morning, I got up and started right away to start working on the project. I removed any excess clay and release agent off of the barrel and stock with tooth-picks and to remove the release agent, I just used my nails to peal it off. After cleanup was done,
Bedding the Rear of the reciever
I put three coats of release agent on to (and inside) the receiver. I also filled the trigger group pins and bolt buffer with modeling clay. After that was done, I mixed up my acaraglas gel and tried my best to fill all the holes that I had dug out. I ended up filling the holes and spreading it across where there were no holes as well. After that I put the receiver on and put tape around the back of the receiver and around the forearm of the stock and the barrel and waited for about four and a half hours for the bedding material to dry a bit so I could check if everything was alright. It was fine.
Putting the action back together
After all this was complete, I put the action back together. To do this I first cleaned off the inside of the receiver and then I began to put it back together. To do this I first put the rod back and the bolt handle back in. Once that was done, I pulled back on the handle and the rod until it could not come back anymore. I held the rod in that position and put the bolt carefully in and pushed it down into its “slot”. I then moved the handle back and forth to check if it was working all right and sure enough it was. My next step was to put the trigger group back in. I first put in the front pin; to do this I slid the bolt back and held it there and pushed up on the trigger until the trigger pin holes lined up. I put the front pin in and then after that I put the rear pin in. After this I reinstalled the bolt buffer and put back the magazine. I was now done putting the action together. You may want to do this whole process again to fill in any holes or gaps that you missed the first time. This should make the action/barrel to stock fit even tighter.
Conclusion
Now wait about 3 days for the epoxy to completely dry and go out and shoot it. You should notice a difference. I sure did. My groups definitely got smaller. And most of all, have fun while you’re at it
Hope this helps and free feel to ask any questions
I will be working on the trigger next
I will also try to get some pictures to post on here.
I am not quite finished the project yet. I want to go back and re-glass bed it to fill in some of the gaps that i missed before.
As you can see, its not the nicest looking glass bed job in the world but it worked so i am happy
'Here are some pictures as promiced. Sorry it took so long...
I still need to fix it up a bit with a dremel tool or a file but i can do that later...
