Project to buy new pistols for Canadian Forces is once again underway

Sig P320 is the correct choice.....but Walther PPQ is more accurate! US SOC is slowly moving away from Glock...to the M17/M18 now. Wonder what all the Glock fans will do when US Army SOC finally replaces all their Glocks with M18's?

Rich
 
bubblebutz said:
should get em Nagant revolvers
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Japan is not a member of NATO otherwise Trudeau would.

Seriously guys a Glock! SIG M17. Get the same pricing as the US Army did without paying for all the R&D. Just announce the contract after Nov 3. You might even get a buyback on the 226/225's we have now. Opps the RCMP need a new pistol. Give them the 225/226's. Everybody wins including the taxpayer/

Take Care

Bob
 
Milofficer said:
You made a lot of excellent points. Buying Canadian or building in Canada drives the cost way up. One needs only to look at the Western Star LSVW, or the Iltis, as an example of ridiculous cost overruns. If it's supposed to be about getting the most value for the dollar, that's not the way to go about it. If you can get the hardware built overseas for less, then do so if it means we can get more for our money. Have ships built in Poland or South Korea if it means we get them faster and for less money spent. If Canadian yards can't be competitive, then that's their own fault. Let them compete for the maintenance contracts, or let them do the fitting-out. Give contracts to Canadian subcontractors instead, if they are affordable.

I think Sig is a great choice. If it were up to me, I'd copy the Danish purchase and get the X-Carry instead of the M17 / M18 version. Or buy some Gen5 Glock 17 MOS instead. We're lucky to have a wide selection of top-notch duty pistols to choose from and we don't need to reinvent the wheel here. DND just needs to buy a reliable, durable and affordable pistol and be done with it.

Like you, I am highly skeptical this will see deliveries in 2021. Back in 2017, the DND estimated that they wouldn't complete deliveries till 2026. And that's if they had picked a winner back then.
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It won't just have to be built in Canada, the LIEberals will insist that they will be built in Quebec.

Remember the Iltis.
 
highlander said:
It won't just have to be built in Canada, the LIEberals will insist that they will be built in Quebec.

Remember the Iltis.
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and the CF100m and the Ross Rifle and the... The gun industry has already told the Gov't to forget producing pistols in Canada by Colt Industries.

Take Care

Bob
 
trebor2880 said:
Priced right with an excellent track record. And the gov't officials won't have to think it to death. And end up with an unsuitable firearm.
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I am not so certain about the Glock's excellent track record under heavy use given it is on it's 5th Generation with a new slide, frame and striker/sear assembly. It does still have Glock written on the slide though. The 320 won the US contract and is in service with our closest and largest ally.

Take Care

Bob
 
How did they come up with 50million for 20,000 handguns?

I quickly did a calculation buying 20,000 Glock should cost about 7 million , if you gross up 50% for accessories and parts it is still about 10million.
 
greentips said:
How did they come up with 50million for 20,000 handguns?

I quickly did a calculation buying 20,000 Glock should cost about 7 million , if you gross up 50% for accessories and parts it is still about 10million.
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10 million for the hardware and 40 million for the Truedope foundation
 
Someone should just demolish the procurement wing of the puzzle palace in Ottawa and rebuild it from the ground up.

I wish we had the political brainpower to make Defence procurement a nonpartisan issue like in Australia. Major projects don't get axed by the new government to spite the old one. Their system isn't perfect either, but they seem to actually make headway on major and minor projects despite having a noticeably smaller defence budget. They buy smaller quantities of stuff than we do, but they still seem to get it done in a reasonable time frame. They have a little bit of the 'build-it-at-home'-itis that we do, but they don't make unreasonable stipulations (like making pistols under license at Colt Canada because Canada).
 
lerch641 said:
We could literally go with new production BHP's and still be better off than using the old warhorses we have now.
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greentips said:
How did they come up with 50million for 20,000 handguns?

I quickly did a calculation buying 20,000 Glock should cost about 7 million , if you gross up 50% for accessories and parts it is still about 10million.
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And yet they managed to spend 12,000 for a Tikka CTR with accessories.

The army will probably try to spend 5 million dollars and 3 years just having a user trial to try to pick which holster they should get with the pistol.
 
greentips said:
How did they come up with 50million for 20,000 handguns?

I quickly did a calculation buying 20,000 Glock should cost about 7 million , if you gross up 50% for accessories and parts it is still about 10million.
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Doing business in a lot of third world countries requires that you make a profit on half your estimated bid for the project, since you will have to pay half of the costs in bribes of one sort or another.
 
greentips said:
How did they come up with 50million for 20,000 handguns?

I quickly did a calculation buying 20,000 Glock should cost about 7 million , if you gross up 50% for accessories and parts it is still about 10million.
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Not sure where the 20,000 comes from the OP quotes 9,000. If they get the 320 for $400 per you are looking at $3,600,000 plus parts and holsters. Knowing the Liberals this will get cancelled to trim the $400,000,000,000 deficit the idiot wants to run this year.

At the rate Trudeau is going our dollar is going to sunk faster than Pesos after a lunch at a Mexican food stand,

Take Care

Bob
 
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rhino62 said:
Doing business in a lot of third world countries requires that you make a profit on half your estimated bid for the project, since you will have to pay half of the costs in bribes of one sort or another.
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You just factor the bribes, and resulting criminal fines for when you get caught, into your cost of doing business. And if you are SNC Lavalin, then you factor a good piece of your budget for lobbying and political donations too.
 
Honestly, they should abolish the "made in Canada" necessity and adopt either the SIG P320, Glock G19 or SIG P229.
SIG P320 would serve us best due to our relations with the USA.
SIG would more than likely give Canada a pretty sweet deal if we adopt the M18.
Not bashing the Browning Hi Power by any means but, the time has long come and gone to retire them and flood the Canadian market with surplus.
 
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