I used Leroy for all of the shotguns I imported to Canada, until this one we are speaking of. I had no idea of the involvement or that he was partners with Clay until I called looking for this one. All the others Leroy shipped directly to me. I was a little surprised when Leroy said he sent it with Clay and I mentioned it and he told me that he and Clay were partners exporting and importing. He had never mentioned it before and he told me he did it to speed up getting people their guns, but he said it did not work this time. The very first shotgun I wanted exported to me I called Prophet River about how much it costs etc. and they gave me the same price as three others, more than Leroy by a long shot in my opinion. I never called them again as Leroy did a good job for me and he charged me basically the same for each one after, in fact a few of them were a little less, including the one he sent with Clay.
Leroy had a package he sent me to do, the IIC, and when needed the registration certificate, export value declaration, I can't just remember what else but I also think and invoice from Big Valley as well or might have been a purchase order. When he got the completed export documentation back the he would ship me the gun. He would call me on the phone tell me how much and then ship the gun. What I liked about him was he would just have me mail him a cheque after the first two we did when I paid him before he mailed them and I am sure all those guns were in my hand before he ever got the cheque.
All I asked of Prophet River, was to speak to Clay about my shotgun and what had happened to cause the delay, when I found out they did not ship it immediately. I agree it would have been nice if Leroy would have said hey I sent it up to Canada with Clay when he called to tell me how much to pay him. I just asked for an explanation from Clay. I had no idea Clay was Prophet River until I got the gun and that was the shippers name on the box. All I got from Leroy was Clay was his partner and nothing of Prophet River. Got me feeling real uneasy.
The importing of fire arms to the U.S. was from a family estate. I handled everything as the importer and delivered them to the FFL involved. Took a bit of time as there were some fairly uncommon ones in the shipment. I used Leroy fro all my exports and I have not exported on since this one we speak of here. I feel I need to find some one else to do this for me because of this. I understand you are pointing your finger at Leroy for making the mistake and he did tell me everything he did with my shotgun when I called and asked where it was. He also called Clay and then called me back. Took about 3 minutes and he said to me 'call Clay at this number he has all the shipping information for you'. I did and it took them till the next day to get it to me, because they had it sitting somewhere for the 4 week period I am assuming. Now, if it was at Canada Customs or U.S. Customs all he had to say was they held it up. I have been in and out of the U.S. many times more than once in a day with loaded/empty trucks and I am no expert importing/exporting, but understand how some things get delayed, but when I asked what the delay was of the girl on the phone she said I had to talk to Clay, same as Leroy, so how do I find out what the heck happened if the guy I am supposed to talk to, who I had no idea was the same Clay from Prophet River as I now read about on here, then what am I to think is going on.
What I do think happened, and as no one wants to tell me, I will think this until told what happened. Clay got my gun from Leroy, took it to his shop and completely forgot about it. He may have done it on purpose because he saw how much less Leroy charged me than he quoted me before, if he remembered me calling even as I was a few years before when I spoke with him, and did it on purpose because of that. Leroy also told me he had paid Clay to ship the gun to me, it is on the invoice I got from Leroy, broke down into his fee, how much for shipping, and of course the lovely taxes our Canada charged me.
I have no axe to grind with you 3macs1. I have read your posts about how Clay has treated you and I imagine he did treat you as you say. I am just saying what happened to me the one and only deal I have had with him. I have every intention of going into his shop the next time I am in his neck of Saskatchewan, just to look around and meet some people, not to see what happened here with this deal, to see if he does run a tight ship and see if I can get the feeling my deal just slipped through the cracks. May even get a chance to talk to Clay...we will see and that is for when I am free from fixing others screw ups here at my place.
I have since passed up a couple shotguns I have found down south only because of my concern of feeling I lost this one some where for a couple days when I was being told some one else had it I was unaware of was involved in the deal. Leroy knows how I feel about it and he did all he could to make it right by me but when he no longer had my gun...I still can not believe one shotgun got from him to me in 3 days...I have had them come from Saskatchewan (bought off the EE) and take 9 days. And he though it was quicker and cheaper to use Clay...which he told me on the phone it didn't work out this time.
