Proposed Carbine Training - in August

[KevinB]

I agree with some vetting as far as skill goes. It is very frustrating to be attempting a 'slow run' with course candidates when they can barely crawl.

The only problem with PH's idea of a form for shooting history and skill is that people tend to let ego and arrogance get in the way of self-analysis, and somehow think they're better than they really are.

And even if you give a list of drills and maximum required times, unless there is an impartial observer, results can be adjusted before submitting the forms.

Big Red and I attended a class that had a pretty good set of requirements first.
Anything dealing with low light level CQB is not a crawl class, but we had some folks that had issues loading and safetly operating in daylight, let alone a multiple person entry into a structure in the dark...

To me, an entry qualification for anything beyond a basic intro class is a must.

 

[acrashb]

Publish the table of contents on the curriculum, as well as the required foundational skills. Some people will still overshoot, but you'll at least deflect people who go "huh?" when you say "foundational skill is tap-rack-bang" or some such. And you can take away excuses when someone lags behind because they lack the foundation: just keep moving, after all they were warned and signed up anyway. It's unfair to the rest of the students to lag for someone who just can't keep up with the progression.

 

[KevinB]

For those who remember the Tactical Responce class in Abby in '05.
PiperDown and I had a .40 Beretta pointed at us during some basic drills because the idiot (a member here) did not understand how to operate his pistol safely.

In open enrollment classes (read civilian classes) I can live with a shooter who is slow -- I cannot abide by people who are unsafe.

 

[tritium]

In open enrollment classes (read civilian classes) I can live with a shooter who is slow -- I cannot abide by people who are unsafe.

Exactly!

 

[wicked_police]

In open enrollment classes (read civilian classes) ....I cannot abide by people who are unsafe.

Crap.

I'm out.

 

[personal_aviator]

With 5rd mag's that's 300 mag reloads, or 100 per day

 

[furet]

Bring 100 mags..... and reload at night.

I would love to participate in a course, didn't BigRed & KevinB talk about a basic SHTF type survival training a while back ???? it was described as a basic/advanced civy survival course vs an "assault" or "offensive" type training.

edited: Bahhh I found the thread, US laws stopping you from training us Canadian terrorist....

 

[5440fight]

To the people south of us that make such rules:

 

[notbsd]

edited: Bahhh I found the thread, US laws stopping you from training us Canadian terrorist....

Frack, and not without a reason.

Carleton University this week is hosting an...

Heck, I can not express how I really feel least I run afoul of the hate rule of CGN, but here, take a look at http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Radical+reformer/2695460/story.html as to what's happening tomorrow.

All as part of week long celebration of awareness, together with pamphlet giving at the unicenter, etc. And the fact that they are raising funds to build four more buildings in Ottawa is a sign of things to come.

Yeah, I can see how US would be just a bit skittish of Canadians now a days, because you really can't blanket assume anything anymore. Canada's not what it used to be 20 years ago, that's for sure.


And as for training.... Don't we have some domestic talent we could use, so as not to run afoul of the US laws? There must be some talented people who have some real world skills that they can teach.

 

[Max Owner]

For any interst to those who may be able to set stuff up................

It seems out this way there is a following developing for training and interest. See my location.

 

[PH Racing]

The only problem with PH's idea of a form for shooting history and skill is that people tend to let ego and arrogance get in the way of self-analysis, and somehow think they're better than they really are.

And even if you give a list of drills and maximum required times, unless there is an impartial observer, results can be adjusted before submitting the forms.

Yeah, I was just trying to encourage people to be honest with themselves when they sign up for courses.

 

[RaTa]

Honestly if you lay it out for people what they need to be able to do before they get there then there is no reason that they should be mad if they get sent home early on.

 

[alexD92]

And even if you give a list of drills and maximum required times, unless there is an impartial observer, results can be adjusted before submitting the forms.

Do you mind sharing a few of those drills? How to apply them?

I know 3 things.

1 - muzzle control.
2 - trigger control.
3 - tap rack bang.

 

[Rotorwing_Savior]

If this much sought after training was regular, and standardized, to a degree, students could be classified as to their abilities, and prior accomplishments. It seems that there's a small, core group of people that are able to provide this instruction. There's money, and fun to be had here. I'd like to see much more of this.

 

[00Buck]

eh how bout if we all volunteered for the Michigan militia, ill take the rank of Colonel and can bring my own fried chicken! Does this count?

I'll be General Tso. My chicken out ranks yours.

Mmm...

 

[USP]

^damn that looks good

 

[wicked_police]

Yeah, I was just trying to encourage people to be honest with themselves when they sign up for courses.

I wasn't trying to burst any bubbles, I was just talking about my own experiences. I've seen enough guys go through courses that even those that are supposed to be the most honorable and honest can sometimes fudge their qualifications.

Do you mind sharing a few of those drills? How to apply them?

There's tons of drills all over the internet that can be used or adapted. We have some from MTAP(DHTC), as well as a few agencies and groups from the US and Europe. They aren't used as pre-qualifiers, but they could be.

 

[Max Owner]

Rules/conditions would need to be posted up front and made clear.

Egos left at the gate.

 

[albertacoyotecaller]

Egos

Egos left at the gate[/U].

Now that is funny Max! Most people jus can't do that! They can't even do it here.

Greg

 

[Blue Pilgrim]

Is there a sign up form or Email we can get on to be notified if this course goes through? Would love to go and would likely get guys from my platoon to go.