Proposed Production Rule
- Thread starter Walter Hornby
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It was made to be a "race" gun for production division, just as the tanfoglio.
The production arms race was inevitable, its part of the sport. 1911s became tricked out 1911's then they got dots then hicaps got on the scene. So Standard was made so that you didn;t have to build an open gun. Then the Standard arms race took off, so Production was made so you didn't have to get a tricked out open or standard gun. That day the prodction arms race began. IPSC could start a nerf gun division tomorrow and we'll start tweaking those to run faster, lighter and with more darts on board then anyone could have ever imagined.
I can see it now, 2012 shot show, NERF and STI team up to create the worlds fastest cycling, longest shooting,highest capacity, crazy accuate and silly expensive foam dart pistol.
The production arms race was inevitable, its part of the sport. 1911s became tricked out 1911's then they got dots then hicaps got on the scene. So Standard was made so that you didn;t have to build an open gun. Then the Standard arms race took off, so Production was made so you didn't have to get a tricked out open or standard gun. That day the prodction arms race began. IPSC could start a nerf gun division tomorrow and we'll start tweaking those to run faster, lighter and with more darts on board then anyone could have ever imagined.
I can see it now, 2012 shot show, NERF and STI team up to create the worlds fastest cycling, longest shooting,highest capacity, crazy accuate and silly expensive foam dart pistol.
Eugene,
there is very little sense in Production as it is now. Beside the obvious, which is a skill of a shooter there is equipment. Production supposed to be simple, out of the shelf device, well is it simple? I don't want to know the answer, but how much are Production pistols tweaked by 'just' a shooter? Now, how much by someone who wants to win, every frikin match???
Every one who follow this sport has some sort of vision what to do to cut on cheating, question is, who got best ideas??
there is very little sense in Production as it is now. Beside the obvious, which is a skill of a shooter there is equipment. Production supposed to be simple, out of the shelf device, well is it simple? I don't want to know the answer, but how much are Production pistols tweaked by 'just' a shooter? Now, how much by someone who wants to win, every frikin match???
Every one who follow this sport has some sort of vision what to do to cut on cheating, question is, who got best ideas??
That I agree with. They should have limited mag capacity for Production division to 10 rounds.
Is that why you are getting a Glock? Which isn't even a real DA gun.
Well, unless everyone shoot the same gun, there will be always room for envy and complains. The tweaking maybe significant for people at the Master level who are competing for the first places, but for most of the shooters it won't make that much of a difference. Do you think JP would stop winning the matches if he'll change his CZ to Glock? Somehow I doubt that.
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Well guys, I do disagree - despite various issues some may have with it - production has been a good thing for IPSC. It's become the primary starting ground for many new shooters and it certianly has it's popularity.
I shoot it on occasion when there isn't any competition in the standard division ranks at some matches. I find that it's forced minor power factoring teaches me to shoot more accurately and the lack of magwells hone my reloading skills, which helps when I go back to shooting Standard.
Sure, some guy with a box stock glick 17 and the same skillset as a guy with a Tanfoglio Stock II isn't going to beat the guy with the Tanfoglio, but the same is true in Standard - the guy with his Wilson -1911 isn't going to touch the guy with the STI Edge and in Open, the guy with the home-made racegun isn't going to touch the guy with the STI GM, Eric or Beddell...the same goes for every other form of competition that involves a gun, car, boat, motorcycle, golf clubs, running shoes, tennis rackets, etc.
I shoot it on occasion when there isn't any competition in the standard division ranks at some matches. I find that it's forced minor power factoring teaches me to shoot more accurately and the lack of magwells hone my reloading skills, which helps when I go back to shooting Standard.
Sure, some guy with a box stock glick 17 and the same skillset as a guy with a Tanfoglio Stock II isn't going to beat the guy with the Tanfoglio, but the same is true in Standard - the guy with his Wilson -1911 isn't going to touch the guy with the STI Edge and in Open, the guy with the home-made racegun isn't going to touch the guy with the STI GM, Eric or Beddell...the same goes for every other form of competition that involves a gun, car, boat, motorcycle, golf clubs, running shoes, tennis rackets, etc.
Sean,
point well taken, however Production is now moving towards Standard with all the modification shooters can do, can hide. Pistols nowadays are made for only that divisions. They are not what it was intended for Production back then.
Also, magazines, Shadows can take up to 19 rounds !!! Sig or Beretta only 15, that is a big difference.
point well taken, however Production is now moving towards Standard with all the modification shooters can do, can hide. Pistols nowadays are made for only that divisions. They are not what it was intended for Production back then.
Also, magazines, Shadows can take up to 19 rounds !!! Sig or Beretta only 15, that is a big difference.
Production rewards accuracy over other divisions. A production 32rds stage,...10 C's down is -20,..10 C's down shooting standard major is -10. I know it says rewarding PF as a .40 or.45 usually requires more recoil control,...but I usually get better hit factors if I speed up and take a few more C's in standard division shooting major.
Sean is right,..mag changes seem a lot easier in standard,...and shooting production rewards accuracy.
Sean is right,..mag changes seem a lot easier in standard,...and shooting production rewards accuracy.
Yeah....cause that is really democratic
....if you are going to tear down one firearm.......you better tear them all downThey do that in the Olympics, with their Pee test. Only the winners ie 1st, 2nd and 3rd get tested after a race I believe.
Take Care
Bob
