Props, Target Stands, Steel and So on.... POST SOME PICTURES

[Westicle]

I am looking for some pictures of your props,

- Walls
- Steel
- Target Stands
- Barrel Setups
- Etc....


show me what you have used and what works for you

I would like to see what you use to hold them erect as well.

 

[stormbringer]

For walls the ONLY way to go is mesh....


We built the wall shown in this video on the Sunday before the Ontrario Provincials.

It is about 11 feet tall.........

Naturally we had a massive Wind storm come through later that night wiht 70kph winds.

The next morning....

NOTHING HAD MOVED!
We at EESA have about 88 of these walls in our inventory. They cost us about $11 each for all the materials.



Right now my son and I are at the final assembly stage for the new "Rattler" target holder that he is buiding in welding class. I will post pictures/vids when we are done.

 

[Westicle]

the mesh walls, just curious if there is any advantage or disadvantage to the shooter in being able to see his target thru the mesh as opposed to a solid type wall.....

wonder if there are any rules for or against solid/mesh walls.... I like the idea and can get the orange snowfence cheap. and the resistence to wind is a great feature.

 

[stormbringer]

Orange snow fence is actually not a good idea.

There is no way to see a shoot through on them as the holes are too large.

The mesh I use is has 3/32 holes in it.

It is really quite heavy material and does not rip when shot.


I do not think that mesh walls would be ok for IDPA type courses as you are not supposed to see the target array in advance. For IPSC that is not a concern.
I have acutally found that seeing all the targets in some cases can confuse shooters and they miss targets that they thought the shot as well as double shooting targets that they did not think they has shot at yet.

This video gives an idea what that is like.



( now if only we could have found a way to keep Arancio quiet!! LOL)

There are huge advantages to using this sort of material for wall consturction.

1) wind as above
2) clarity for R/Os
3) cost
4) Weight.....one man can carry two, two men can carry 6 to 8 of them.

 

[Westicle]

hmm, I wonder what the cost of the corrugated plastic sheets would be as opposed to the cost of plywood.

we are in the middle of figuring out what we want to do to build walls.... I am thinking 2x2 framing, 16 or 24 inch centers and make them approx 6 feet high by 8 feet long

the cost of the 2"x2" should be cheap but thecovering has my fuxor'ed cost wise.... plywood would be nice, but at how much a sheet for 1/4"...... the corregated plastic sounds good and we couuld just staple it to the frame so replacement if needed would be easy, and we could cut shooting ports in it easy as well.

but how long would it last is the question....

I was just thinking, we could even just use black plastic and staple it to the frames.... or a tarp or whatever, it does not have to be all that fancy.

 

[Jarlath]

hmm, I wonder what the cost of the corrugated plastic sheets would be as opposed to the cost of plywood.

we are in the middle of figuring out what we want to do to build walls.... I am thinking 2x2 framing, 16 or 24 inch centers and make them approx 6 feet high by 8 feet long

the cost of the 2"x2" should be cheap but thecovering has my fuxor'ed cost wise.... plywood would be nice, but at how much a sheet for 1/4"...... the corregated plastic sounds good and we couuld just staple it to the frame so replacement if needed would be easy, and we could cut shooting ports in it easy as well.

but how long would it last is the question....

I was just thinking, we could even just use black plastic and staple it to the frames.... or a tarp or whatever, it does not have to be all that fancy.

Indoors it works just fine. You could have a 2x2 frame, staple garbage bags to it and run stripping over it to cover the staples/seams.
We actually had an individual have a basement flood and the renovators/cleaners boxed up his basement with 300 ish boxes (18x18x24), roughly 1/2 of which are now donated to our indoor range and made into high/low barriers, windows. Held together with rolls of packaging tape/stapled to stands.
(Think of this fun one. One stand with a box at chest height, "NUKE" written on it, NS targets on each side of box "Carrying it". and a hostile in a separate stand behind with limited targetable area. Box hit = DNF as the nuke goes of )

Outdoors, you had best find a way to allow for wind.
We used 2x4x7''s to make our walls. Cheap 1/4 pressboard for the covering. As long as you don't store them outside they last for at least a couple years.
Cost per wall was about $15 material. Each wall is 40" wide and 84" tall. Easily screwed to each other by standard 3.5" deck screws.
We only have 8 or so of those and they have lasted 3 years so far. Plus a couple dedicted low versions.
1/4" plywood with a 2x2 edge, hinged to another piece of plywood = a nice folder.
Always good for a few stages, always use wood so you can to fasten to other props with a cordless screwdriver

 

[Westicle]

I never though of the hinge idea, but that sounds perfect.... we would be storing our walls outdoor so best to make waterproof as we can.maybe do the end caps in 2"x4" so there is more meat for the hinge to grab onto.

and then just have to be careful moving them. 3 walls with hingeswould work awesome and give us lots of different layouts.

 

[Jarlath]

I never though of the hinge idea, but that sounds perfect.... we would be storing our walls outdoor so best to make waterproof as we can.maybe do the end caps in 2"x4" so there is more meat for the hinge to grab onto.

and then just have to be careful moving them. 3 walls with hingeswould work awesome and give us lots of different layouts.

We toyed with the idea of using that old farmer style gate drop on hinges but never found any. (Didn't have a TSC near us at the time.) I'll see if I can get some images of our props...
Make sure you cut out a hand hold on the edges or run a piece of nylon rope through each side for ease of carrying.

About to only thing left indoors are boxes and our powered wheel of doom

 

[relliott]

I'm with Storm on the mesh thing. One advantage not mentioned is spectator appeal. For years IPSC matches were like watching paint dry for most people because once the competitor entered a walled off area and began shooting the stage, no one could see a thing. There was no way to shoot video or take photos either; all you could get was the audio. This way spectators can see the competitor run the stage, and see what they are shooting at soit has some relevance.

IPSC needs more "visual cool," and the mesh helps there for sure.

 

[stormbringer]

We have used coreplas (corregated plastic) walls at EESA as well.

They were actually what I call Generation 3 walls (mesh are Generation 4).

We used some for the Provincials as well. We also built them the day that the wind storm came.

The mesh walls did not move at all as explained above.
The coreplas walls were twisted all over the place. Last year before a three gun match I was retireving walls that had become kites and belew 50 m away to the other side of the berm and were floating in our pond.

I have seen hinges used before and was planing to incorporate them into Generation 4.5 The plan is to quickly removable hing pins so they can come apart. Each having an A side and a B side so you could theoretically link all 88 into a giant wall.

 

[Westicle]

For IDPA anyway, I think the top half (3') do solid corplast and make the bottom snow fence so you give the wind somewhere to go....

still a few months away before I build gen 1 walls for our club, got to make a clamp system for the target stands first so you get less target wave.

 

[Jarlath]

I have seen hinges used before and was planing to incorporate them into Generation 4.5 The plan is to quickly removable hing pins so they can come apart. Each having an A side and a B side so you could theoretically link all 88 into a giant wall.

Make sure you do a couple things so you don't copy our Gen 1 hinged wall mistakes.

#1 - For each connection to another wall, use TWO hinges. One hinge allows for twist between walls, even unintentionally.

#2 - Ensure that you label which way is up on the walls so you can have a Consistant measurement to the hinge. (Aka from 'floor' hinge starts at 18" & 40") This allows for uneven height walls to be linked together (window walls/low walls/stairs/etc...) Be mindful that outdoors is usually not perfectly level

#3 - Drill a 3/8" hole in opposite bottom inside corners of the wall to allow for "staking" to the ground if need be. (8"-10" long Galvanized Spikes work phenominally)

 

[dinsdale]

SFFGC uses Coraplast walls as we run both IPSC and IDPA but I like the idea of mesh for the longer runs. Could use the PPC barricades we have for Vertcals and staple Mesh on. Easier than having a long run made of 4x8 walls.

Storm: where and what kind of mesh do you use?

Wes: Look in to used Shipping containers. Lockable and waterproof. Get it placed on a bed of gravel.
That is what SFFGC uses for our IPSC storage shed. Placed it right in between the 25 m and 50 m Pistol ranges.

 

[stormbringer]

Storm: where and what kind of mesh do you use?

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We use Dupont Vexar L-36
I get it from Masternet in Mississauga but there are other distributors.

http://www.masternetltd.com/vexar-other-vexar-products-04.php

 

[Jarlath]

Wes: Look in to used Shipping containers. Lockable and waterproof. Get it placed on a bed of gravel.
That is what SFFGC uses for our IPSC storage shed. Placed it right in between the 25 m and 50 m Pistol ranges.

X2 on the containers. We ended up getting two 40' containers.
One specifically for our ODPL and the other for tools/misc targets/Gator.
Cost was about $2500ea shipped and placed.

 

[The Cold Lake Kid]

Jarlath, where did you obtain your containers?
I was hearing some pretty astounding cost figures, considerably more than what you mention, for steel shipping containers.

 

[Jarlath]

Jarlath, where did you obtain your containers?
I was hearing some pretty astounding cost figures, considerably more than what you mention, for steel shipping containers.

I'll ask our section treasurer about them.

 

[667]

Vehicles make good props...

You can shoot from inside them...

You can shoot from out the top of some...

You can shoot through some..

And hell... If you get bored, just flip one on it's side and shoot from around it.

Just make sure you have the owners permission and DON'T ever use a rental

 

[Jarlath]

Jarlath, where did you obtain your containers?
I was hearing some pretty astounding cost figures, considerably more than what you mention, for steel shipping containers.

I'll ask our section treasurer about them.

I asked. We obtained them thru one of our club members. Cost was about $2600-$2900. I am in the process of getting some contact info and whether or not that member is still a viable source for containers (Economy & Renewal, etc...)

 

[raks]

+1 for mesh. If you need a vision barrier I'd just staple gun tarps on top of a mesh barrier as needed. Tarps are much cheaper than cor-plas and can be moved around frame to frame as needed.

We have a variety of snow fence/tarp walls at our matches out here. Good to mix and match depending on the challenge/purpose.