PRS practice steel target question.

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My shooting buddy got his hands on some AR-500 steel plate, and we want to get it cut up for gongs and such (he knows a guy...)

We want to use them at 100 or 200m, and replicate the size of targets used in PRS matches.

Something along the lines of 1, 1.5, 2moa and 80% IPSC silhouettes. We want the smaller gongs to be cut out from and suspended within a larger gong, so we can spot misses really easily.

Any suggestions on how to achieve this, especially with the very small sizes?

Weld a bracket/swinging arm onto the back? We will be using light 223 reloads, will this hold up? Will we have to get it heat treated after the welding? etc etc...
 
I have something similar to what you are describing. It is a reactive target made by big dog steel (usa). You can see how the mechanism is built in the pics. It sits on a 4x4 post.



 
As far as welding goes, preheat to about 400F, weld, apply post heat and let cool slowly (wrap in fiberglass blanket or even bat insulation works). Be liberal with the area you pre & post heat.

Hope to see some more good ideas here.
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Its best that you do not weld AR500 plate because you'll mess with the material hardness. The welded areas will get annealed.

Its better that you get whoever is cutting the plate to do holes so that you can assemble with screws. Trust me its hard to drill AR500 plate if you don't have the right equipment. We actually found it was easier to drill with a carbide end mill than with a carbide drill.

You can get hardened screws or just replace them if they get hit too many times.

Flame cutting or plasma cutting also heats the plate and anneals the areas near the cut, which has the same effect as welding. You'll get divots in these areas.

The best way to cut AR500 plate is with water jet because there is no heat involved. That's how I did mine.

To keep the weight down, I have one that consists of 4 pieces that are 2 feet square and 1/4 inch thick each, that I assemble on a frame to create a 4 foot square target for long range. Then we hang smaller targets in front and use the 4 footer as the back stop. It works well and the bullets barely scratch the AR500 steel.
 
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get your paws on some 2 inch thick steel, make the targets as small as you want.

This is a terrible idea. If the steel is not hard enough you will create pot marks that can throw pieces of steel right back at the shooter.
Even on a 45 degree angle mild steel is totally unsafe.

I can probably get some pictures of one a buddy made to show you the damage from a 308.

Its not good.

AR500 or bust. Its worth it.

Ya... x2 on the forehead palm.
 
Its best that you do not weld AR500 plate because you'll mess with the material hardness. The welded areas will get annealed.

Its better that you get whoever is cutting the plate to do holes so that you can assemble with screws. Trust me its hard to drill AR500 plate if you don't have the right equipment. We actually found it was easier to drill with a carbide end mill than with a carbide drill.

You can get hardened screws or just replace them if they get hit too many times.

Flame cutting or plasma cutting also heats the plate and anneals the areas near the cut, which has the same effect as welding. You'll get divots in these areas.

The best way to cut AR500 plate is with water jet because there is no heat involved. That's how I did mine.

To keep the weight down, I have one that consists of 4 pieces that are 2 feet square and 1/4 inch thick each, that I assemble on a frame to create a 4 foot square target for long range. Then we hang smaller targets in front and use the 4 footer as the back stop. It works well and the bullets barely scratch the AR500 steel.

Oh, how I love the "because that's what I do" stories..... Should we let Big Dog Steel know that they shouldn't be welding on their targets?

BadAsMo, while I agree that it is preferable to water jet the profile and the holes of AR500 targets, you most certainly can weld it and it is done extremely commonly in abrasion and impact resistant applications such as conveyor hoppers, truck boxes, gravel crushers, etc. ad nauseum. As with most things, you just have to know what you're doing. The key is to not approach the phase change temperature of the steel, so you don't "anneal" it. Of much bigger concern is hydrogen embrittlement due to inadequate cleaning of the weld zones and use of inappropriate or 'wet' filler metals. Cracking can also occur due to inadequate heat input (will essentially shock the crystalline structure of the base metal).

I previously stated that one should preheat to 400F and I would like to retract somewhat. One should not exceed 400F interpass temperature (heat input while welding). Preheat to 200F to 300F. Post heat of a larger area after welding to get a more even heat distribution across a larger area. Cool slowly - preheat helps to reduce hydrogen and post heat helps to prevent hydrogen migration into the heat affected zone, which is what can initiate cracking. Have you ever noticed that most of the cracks you see are in the base metal beside a weld and not in the weld? That is the result of this effect.

The incredibly common 7018 GMAW rod and ER70S solid wire filler metals are more than adequate for this job (low hydrogen fillers). I would stay away from rod such as 6010, 6011, 6013, 7014, 7024, etc.

Simple, right? It actually is if you have a few of the right tools and some know how.

OP; apologies for the tangent.
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My "don't weld comment" is in the framework of a hobby welder, which I assume is most of our CGN readers.

I've spent years getting welders certified in a $30,000,000 per year fab facility and yes we have guys who can do it.

I just don't assume the average guy with an arc welder from Princess Auto or Canadian Tire is going to have much success.
 
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Try to practice at distances farther than 100-200y.

300-600+ would be better.

1) Range limitations. Only ranges with +300 are 2.5 hours, 100/200 is 45minutes.
2) Positional practice doesn't need to be long range.
3) I have a 223 practice rifle that is identical to my competition rifle. Cheaper to shoot and saves my barrel life.
4) I will still practice at long range, for wind calls/dope/stage practice. Just not all the time and the club already has steel out to 1600m.
 
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