PSA re: bolt failures in recent import M-14 pattern rifles

Question for the pros here . I bought a m305 off the EE and it's en route and like a dummy I didnt ask for bolt pictures .The rifle is a shorty with a chu wood stock which I havent seen for sale commercially anymore anywhere I've seen , Would this pre date the beginning of the MIM bolts ?
 
Anyone know where to buy a replacement bolt?

Replace the parts and accurizing the M305 is going to cost a US made M14 .
Sell and buy a forged one .
LRB and Fulton are manufacturing forged bolt too.
Even cheaper you can go with USGI bolt.

However wolverine is selling USGI kit IDF snipers version all USGI parts and M25 forged LRB receiver , directly ship it to M14medic and build one .
Then you have a rifle for life.
 
John looked at my receiver and it was concluded nothing could really be done with the thing without major modifications. We left it at that, now I have a tremendous amount of spare parts lol. I may try and find an older Norc receiver and get John to put the barrel on it, and build her up again.

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Looks like a forged bolt?
 
So even forged bolts are blowing up? One thing i noticed on my socom is that the gas port is huge. I mean huge to a point where a 7/64 drill went in and has wiggle room, but not quite as big as 1/8. Will this mean super overgassed? I got a schuster adjustable gas screw installed tonight, going to tune it in next week. Hopefully that will save bolt. I did this to my 7.62x39 AR and i have not broken a single NEA bolt.
 
So even forged bolts are blowing up? One thing i noticed on my socom is that the gas port is huge. I mean huge to a point where a 7/64 drill went in and has wiggle room, but not quite as big as 1/8. Will this mean super overgassed? I got a schuster adjustable gas screw installed tonight, going to tune it in next week. Hopefully that will save bolt. I did this to my 7.62x39 AR and i have not broken a single NEA bolt.

Forged ones cracking are a much rarer situation, could have been poor lug contact, bad heat treatment, but doesn't happen often at least.
The M14 gas system is self regulating, once the piston is fully extended, gas vents out that little hole in the bottom of the gas cylinder. Adjustable gas plug won't hurt anything, but it's not really necessary.
 
Forged ones cracking are a much rarer situation, could have been poor lug contact, bad heat treatment, but doesn't happen often at least.
The M14 gas system is self regulating, once the piston is fully extended, gas vents out that little hole in the bottom of the gas cylinder. Adjustable gas plug won't hurt anything, but it's not really necessary.

Some interesting facts about Chinese forged bolts:

1) When SEI was working with Keng's on the chinese spec fo M14S rifles in the 1990's, China never did change the bolts to USGI equivalent alloy. After lots of effort to make them change their process, SEI just started using GI bolts in the chinese receivers because they were cheap and planetiful back then. It never got fixed.
2) USGI bolt alloy is supposed to be (in all but a very few cases) 8620H alloy steel except resulpherized sulpher content at 0.035 % to 0.50 % that is gun quality specification per ASTM A304, A322, or A331. The chinese bolts used a cheaper alloy that is not as strong and not heat treated the same way. It's generally fine, but no chinese bolt is as tough as a GI bolt.
3) Chinese bolts have universally shorter lugs by a few thou. They are not dimensionally identical to GI. This is why some chinese receivers won't take a GI bolt without either removing material from the bolt or receiver. Generally, the lowest risk solution if you have this situation is to remove material from the FRONT of the GI bolt lugs, though most builders will simply give up and get a different receiver. Sometimes they can also be lapped in if they are only out a few thou. Sometimes a GI bolt just drops in, it depends on the tolerances of a particular chinese receiver.
4) Most forged bolt failures, regardless of chinese or USA, are due to the use of reloads and reloading errors.
5) It's possible uneven bolt lug contact, over time, can cause a forged bolt to fail. Generally this is not common though, as most M14 pattern rifles, if out, are only out slightly and normal lug setback and tolerances allowing the bolt to tilt into contact results in a safe level of contact. For accuracy though, you do want even contact on a closed bolt prior to firing. This is why lapping is usually done - for accuracy improvement, not for safety reasons.

Without knowing the details of that forged bolt failure above, I don't see signs of creep cracking or fatigue beach marks based on the one low-res picture. While not definitive, and not knowing the details, I would guess it was an overpressure round causing sudden fracture - as is typical of a reloading error. But again, I have no details and the photos aren't good enough to fully judge the failure mechanism. I will say, 99.9999999% (unscientific, just my opinion based on years of observations) of forged bolt lug failures are from guys who swear they didn't make a reloading error but admit they were shooting reloads.
 
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So even forged bolts are blowing up? One thing i noticed on my socom is that the gas port is huge. I mean huge to a point where a 7/64 drill went in and has wiggle room, but not quite as big as 1/8. Will this mean super overgassed? I got a schuster adjustable gas screw installed tonight, going to tune it in next week. Hopefully that will save bolt. I did this to my 7.62x39 AR and i have not broken a single NEA bolt.

Before worrying about your rifle being overgassed, have you shot it to see if it works reliably?

I have yet to see a GI specification for port size on a shorty M14. The mil manuals are generally geared to the 22" barrel. If it works, don't overthink it.
 
Sorry to resurrect this old thread. I just received a SOCOM style M14 and it’s got the dreaded circles on the bolt.

The rifle has a lifetime warrantee and I’ve got a pile of 147grain 7.62X51 inbound.

Is this rifle dangerous to shoot? I see there are a number of M14 bolt failures on the net, ranging from all sorts of manufacturers. No doubt the bad batch of Norcs had prolific failures, but my new rifle is dated 2016.

Do have myself a wall hanger?
 
Sorry to resurrect this old thread. I just received a SOCOM style M14 and it’s got the dreaded circles on the bolt.

The rifle has a lifetime warrantee and I’ve got a pile of 147grain 7.62X51 inbound.

Is this rifle dangerous to shoot? I see there are a number of M14 bolt failures on the net, ranging from all sorts of manufacturers. No doubt the bad batch of Norcs had prolific failures, but my new rifle is dated 2016.

Do have myself a wall hanger?

Does the receiver appear to be cast as well? There may be a line down the centre of the heel and a more textured finish. Post some pics!

There might be options to have a forged bolt properly fitted, from either a used Norinco, usgi, or a commercial one. I wouldnt want to shoot a cast Chinese bolt in 7.62x51 after seeing what's been happening. But I also dont know if I'd bother paying to install a forged one in a cast norinco receiver.

That said, and I could be wrong, but I dont recall hearing of any cast receiver failures from Norinco.
 
Sorry to resurrect this old thread. I just received a SOCOM style M14 and it’s got the dreaded circles on the bolt.

The rifle has a lifetime warrantee and I’ve got a pile of 147grain 7.62X51 inbound.

Is this rifle dangerous to shoot? I see there are a number of M14 bolt failures on the net, ranging from all sorts of manufacturers. No doubt the bad batch of Norcs had prolific failures, but my new rifle is dated 2016.

Do have myself a wall hanger?

I wouldn't shoot it with the MIM bolt...it will fail, could be the first round, could be the 100th, but it will let go at some point.
The bad batch of Norks are the ones with MIM bolts, not worth putting yourself in danger.
 
It's sad that dealers/importers are still selling these shiddy new m305's to hard working canadian sport shooters, despite the clear evidence in this forum that those MIM bolts are total garbage and a safety concern.
I guess all I can say is.....knowing what I know about the platform itself..... I wouldn't buy an M14 from china unless it was 2009 import or earlier, no exceptions.
 
Has anyone had a phosphate coated bolt fail? Maybe the problem is fixed.

I realize you don't want your new toy to be a timebomb, but MIM bolts in this platform will never work. The steel structure is not designed for the kind of beating these bolts take.
 
D;&:$ shame. The dealers and importers should at least tell us the new bolts are cast. Guess they just want more money out of us.
 
It's sad that dealers/importers are still selling these shiddy new m305's to hard working canadian sport shooters, despite the clear evidence in this forum that those MIM bolts are total garbage and a safety concern.
I guess all I can say is.....knowing what I know about the platform itself..... I wouldn't buy an M14 from china unless it was 2009 import or earlier, no exceptions.

If we are talking complete rifles, that may well be a very good bit of advice. That said, the 1990's era receivers used until 2014 seem to consistently be about the same (i.e. some good, some with minor issues, but none totally "bad").

I would never, ever, ever, ever pay the going rate for a Norinco M14 with a cast receiver. Never.

Buy smart - buy used.
 
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