I have two in the family, one is owned by my B-I-L, the other is the F-I-L's. I load for both, and they will regularly shoot in the 1¼" range, but will shoot the occasional group under 1" Plenty good enough for 95% of all hunting done in North America. I have also found them not fussy as to loads. BTW, Supercub, those are nice groups! Same as I'm getting with the 225's in my 700 CDL in 35 Whelen. Regards, Eagleye.
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I bought a Browning Lever in .308 which was only one of two makes that were available at the time (Savage being the other - a brand with which I was unfamiliar). The other feature I wanted was a detachable magazine which allows for use of pointed rather than blunt ended bullets which are required in such levers as Marlin, Winchester. Pointed bullets have better aerodynamics (from my viewpoint). I also got a good deal on it as it was on sale just after the newer models were introduced that had the "flip" type hammer as an added safety feature.
I have two hunting pals who have one Remington (760?) pump 308 each and they each had a loading/jamming problem last year.
In one case, buddy lost an opportunity when the deer got away before he cleared the jam.
In the second case, which I witnessed, we were in the truck, spotted a deer, my pal jumped out, inserted the magazine, racked the pump, but it didn't load correctly, jammed and he had to rack it again before shooting.
Agonizingly long secnds.
That said, he nailed an elk with the same gun later in the fall, but the gun was already loaded when he saw the elk.
In one case, buddy lost an opportunity when the deer got away before he cleared the jam.
In the second case, which I witnessed, we were in the truck, spotted a deer, my pal jumped out, inserted the magazine, racked the pump, but it didn't load correctly, jammed and he had to rack it again before shooting.
Agonizingly long secnds.
That said, he nailed an elk with the same gun later in the fall, but the gun was already loaded when he saw the elk.
SuperCub said:
My 760 was made in July 1954 (based on barrel marking AO) and has the "corn cob style" forestock so yes it does rattle...
To tell the month and year of your Remington rifle
http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questions/BLACKPOWDERX.htm
Its the user that causes most of the jam ups in a 760/7600.Like not working the action fully(short stroking).I have seen a buddy of mine work his gun flawlessly at the range,But when hunting and excited he would short stroke and jam it up most every time he needed more than one shot.I have now owned that very rifle for five years without a hitch.It wasnt the gun at all it was the user.Pumps arent for everyone I guess.
I have never had a jam up due to an old worn mag.I dont use old worn mags.
The only jam up I have ever had was caused by me not seating my bullets deep enough.The bullet was hitting the rifleing which would not allow the action to close compltely into battery,and then wouldnt open.But this would have jamed up most repeating actions.MY FAULT
I have never had a jam up due to an old worn mag.I dont use old worn mags.
The only jam up I have ever had was caused by me not seating my bullets deep enough.The bullet was hitting the rifleing which would not allow the action to close compltely into battery,and then wouldnt open.But this would have jamed up most repeating actions.MY FAULT
I have a 7600 in 35 Whelen ... it is accurate, repeatable and dependable. These rifles are under rated I think. I use it in the rain and bad weather as it is easy to dry out quickly and thoroughly. It is the "go to rifle" if I need something that I know is going to be zero'd without having to confirm - and sometimes the opportunity to go hunting doesn't always allow this luxury/necessity. It has a cheap ScopeChief IV which always amazes me with it's clarity and repeatability.
I have had one problem with the rifle ... soon after I got it .. I put a sling on it...forward swivel on the barrel and rear on the lower butt stock. Carrying it in the woods slung I suddenly discovered I was carrying a 2 piece rifle...the butt had seperated from the receiver. Apparently the threads in the receiver that held the through bolt had stripped.
The receiver was replaced by the factory (Illion) - no charge and fairly quickly - covering it under warranty. They explained that occasionally an overzealous assembler could over torque this bolt causing it to strip and fail. Rifle was returned and continued to shoot tight groups (like SuperCub's). It is still performing great today after many years of reasonably rigorous (but not careless) use.
Incidentally the Canadian Factory Authorized facility were pretty snide about fixing the rifle when I contacted them - they said I would have to pay etc and demanded to know "how long do you think the warranty should last?"
At that point I think I had the rifle "in the field" for about 3 or 4 days total - although admitedly I had purchased it the previous year after hunting season. It pissed me off that their attitude was 11 months in the factory box and 4 days of use constituted the limit of the warranty ... so I never dealt with them again!
Like I said though - the factory were great! - responsive, professional and no BS.
I should add that years ago I screwed around with my Remington 1100 and "shot" my magazine tube spring, keeper and the plug off into the goldenrods at a high rate of knots...never to be found again!! When I called the Remington repair depot in Canada then (around K/W I recall) to order the parts.. they listened to my story and sent me all the parts free/gratis!!! No shipping charge even....
I have always considered Remington a "class act" since then and continue to give them my business! .. too bad they stopped making the great line of clothes and accessories they used to offer...I still have some Worsterlon shirts and Kevlar jeans that wear like iron...and a great little day duffle.....oh well!
I have had one problem with the rifle ... soon after I got it .. I put a sling on it...forward swivel on the barrel and rear on the lower butt stock. Carrying it in the woods slung I suddenly discovered I was carrying a 2 piece rifle...the butt had seperated from the receiver. Apparently the threads in the receiver that held the through bolt had stripped.
The receiver was replaced by the factory (Illion) - no charge and fairly quickly - covering it under warranty. They explained that occasionally an overzealous assembler could over torque this bolt causing it to strip and fail. Rifle was returned and continued to shoot tight groups (like SuperCub's). It is still performing great today after many years of reasonably rigorous (but not careless) use.
Incidentally the Canadian Factory Authorized facility were pretty snide about fixing the rifle when I contacted them - they said I would have to pay etc and demanded to know "how long do you think the warranty should last?"
At that point I think I had the rifle "in the field" for about 3 or 4 days total - although admitedly I had purchased it the previous year after hunting season. It pissed me off that their attitude was 11 months in the factory box and 4 days of use constituted the limit of the warranty ... so I never dealt with them again!
Like I said though - the factory were great! - responsive, professional and no BS.
I should add that years ago I screwed around with my Remington 1100 and "shot" my magazine tube spring, keeper and the plug off into the goldenrods at a high rate of knots...never to be found again!! When I called the Remington repair depot in Canada then (around K/W I recall) to order the parts.. they listened to my story and sent me all the parts free/gratis!!! No shipping charge even....
I have always considered Remington a "class act" since then and continue to give them my business! .. too bad they stopped making the great line of clothes and accessories they used to offer...I still have some Worsterlon shirts and Kevlar jeans that wear like iron...and a great little day duffle.....oh well!
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Pump action rifles are for guys that can't master a bolt action and can't afford a good semi. I really like the the pictures of the groups but I have yet to see one that would do it when I'm watching. I love it when guys bring pumps to the range and then try to show me how fast and accurate they are.
Inavariably they have their tongues over their upper lip, eyes crossed and they hunker over like a dog screwing a football... then the flailing starts. Miscues and double pumps without pulling the trigger, short strokes and jams. It's like watching a spastic Jerry Lewis abusing himself.
I'm serious......
.....not!
Inavariably they have their tongues over their upper lip, eyes crossed and they hunker over like a dog screwing a football... then the flailing starts. Miscues and double pumps without pulling the trigger, short strokes and jams. It's like watching a spastic Jerry Lewis abusing himself.
I'm serious......
.....not!
Well, I have owned my 7600 synth. in 308 win. for close to a year now. I have shot close to 500 rds at the range with it without a single jam. The mags were a bit hard to snap into place at first, but this probleme was resolved with usage at the range. I did shoot a deer with it last fall, and the fast cycling of the action did prevent me from having to track it. If I was to find any fault in this rifle, I would say that it could be a little lighter (I know, I'm lazy 
) and it would be nice if we could get factory sling attachements.
P.S. Don't mind Red, he has long, hot dreams about jerkomatics but he's still in the closet
) and it would be nice if we could get factory sling attachements.P.S. Don't mind Red, he has long, hot dreams about jerkomatics but he's still in the closet
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I saw an old show with Jackie Bushman hunting Manitoba.They were doing small drives in the little bush lots around farm land.Not unlike southern Ont.
Jackie had a very nice buck chased out to him.It wasnt running hard around 60 to 80yrds along the edge of a small field.He was using a bolt gun all scoped up of course.He fumbled hard to get of two shots and failed miserably at getting the buck.Imo bushman spent a way too much time stand hunting and bench shooting.He would have been much better off with a low powered scope/red dot on a pump,lever,semi.I know for a fact with this combination I would have been gutting that buck.So a bolt gun with a big scope is not always the best tool for the job contrary to what alot of people think.MY 2 cents.
Jackie had a very nice buck chased out to him.It wasnt running hard around 60 to 80yrds along the edge of a small field.He was using a bolt gun all scoped up of course.He fumbled hard to get of two shots and failed miserably at getting the buck.Imo bushman spent a way too much time stand hunting and bench shooting.He would have been much better off with a low powered scope/red dot on a pump,lever,semi.I know for a fact with this combination I would have been gutting that buck.So a bolt gun with a big scope is not always the best tool for the job contrary to what alot of people think.MY 2 cents.
captonion said:
Who said anything about a 'big scope' ? In the scenario that you presented, a nice bolt rifle with iron sites, with the proper lead, would accomplish the same result. 'Course that would be in the hads of an experienced rifleman. After all, you only need one proper shot, right?
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BIGREDD said:
You mean all this time I could have been calling myself an expert?
