Purchased my first true antique today ---》1882 Swiss Ordnance revolver UPDATED PICS !

One last thing...

The holster is NICE... marked something like "A.Waliner" (??) and "Bern". From my research it is a very rare cyclists variant. It is either "mismatched" to my gun, or my gun was actually issued with it.

There is also a small red lanyard attached to the revolver. It is obviously very old. I wonder if this was an Officer's sidearm?
 
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Can you make out the manufacturer name? Yes, BERN is easy to spot, but what is above it?
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Too much flash, can you provide a better pic to help ID the manufacturer?
 
"A. WELTNER" or "A. WEITNER" is my final guess. I spent about 1/2 hour analyzing the holster under different lights and angles. :)

It is my understanding that all M1882 holsters, as with other Swiss small arms of the period, were made locally by Swiss saddle makers under contract with the Bern Factory. So Mr. Weltner was likely a local saddle maker.

There are no military acceptance stamps or year (that I can find), so it's hard to tell whether it's a civilian variant or military issue, but it's certainly original to this revolver, as this revolver came complete with this holster (and lanyard) from Swiss arsenal storage.

I cannot make out any inscriptions or stamps on the lanyard's lead seal.
 
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You should do a range report with photos of targets etc on this gun. Quite impressed how the ammo performed. Especially that its experimental stuff. Let me know when you are ready to make more.
 
First off, drslav, thank you for your hospitality and helping me to reload my first cartridges for this fine revolver. You have inspired me to order a set of proper dies, which I did today. The "Special Order" from RCBS will take 120 days! So, I suspect I'll be over again in the mean time :) Oh, and, because of new US export restrictions, you need to go through a dealer to get dies across the damn border! Brutal.

Because my 11 year old son also joined me at the range, the targets are quite the scattering of holes! So, not really telling of the performance of this cartridge and fine revolver.

All in all, we shot 68 rounds at two targets:

---> 18 were your custom loads: trimmed 32-20 Win brass, 100 grain .312 lead round nose flat points (LRNFP), 2.6 grains of IMR Trail Boss, CCI small pistol primers

---> the other 50 rounds were Remington "Target" 32 S&W Long, 98 grain .312 LRN

Both loads were anemic to say the least! The Remington 32 S&W's are rated at "705 fps" according to published sources, and based on the low recoil of your handloads, all 68 rounds were going about the same speed. I certainly need to purchase a chronograph.

One thing is for ABSOLUTE certain, this sweet little revolver can EASILY handle stiffer loads! I am going to up the Trail Boss to 2.7, 2.8, and 2.9 grains respectively, the later representing "maximum" loads (for 32 S&W L) as per the Hodgdon Powder Co. website.

I measured my last 5-round grouping using your handloads, and I got exactly 3 inches at approx. 23-25 yards -- not bad for any pistol, let alone an old girl made in 1895!

I measured my last 5-round grouping with the Remington 32 S&W's, and I got exactly 4.2 inches at approx. 23-25 yards -- still pretty good!

I shot both groups in the standing position, both hands on the revolver. In truth, I wasn't really focused on accuracy, as I had my son with me, and I was mainly trying to get a feel for the revolver and all it's Euro-quirks. I think this revolver is capable of better.

Out of the 50 Remington 32 S&W Longs shot, 3 experienced minor split cases (I tossed them of course), and about half had some degree of bulging (but re-useable). Based on the dimensions of your handloads, the dimensions of my proper 7.5mm Swiss Ordnance ammo (glad I found 40 rounds), and the dimensions of the Remington 32 S&W Long's, there are very minimal dimensional differences. So the minor bulging and splits must have more to do with the thin-walled nature of 32 S&W, and not fitment. Remington brass is also notoriously inconsistent.

In the end, 32 S&W Longs are perfectly adequate for this revolver (if you can find some!), but expect a few splits here and there. At 705 fps and relatively low pressures, there's no worry about damage to the chambers!

One last thing worth noting, the Swiss revolver shot great in both single and double action, was rock solid, and felt great in my hands. What a sleeper. I will be buying another for sure.

(ps... no accidental discharges today ;) )
 
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O.K. here's a photo of target #1

This is the first 5-round grouping (sixth was a "flier", see upper right corner) of 18 rounds fired from my M1882 Swiss Ordnance revolver -- fresh from Swiss arsenal storage! This beats the last 5-round grouping noted above.

2-1/2 inch grouping at 25 yards, standing position -- great for any pistol, let alone an old girl made in 1895!

I am very pleased with this revolver. She's light, tight, and out-of-sight! :)

Again, the handload specs are: trimmed 32-20 Win brass, 100 grain .312 lead round nose flat points (LRNFP), 2.6 grains of IMR Trail Boss, and CCI small pistol primers.

The smaller holes are from Remington "Target" 32 S&W Long, 98 grain .312 LRN fired from the same revolver. They also produced very decent results.

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Just a size comparison. Clearly the 44 magnum is the "big boy" on the block! But, your wrist tires with this round, and it's certainly not for high volume range use! :)

Left to right: 7.62x39, 44 magnum HP, standard 22LR, 7.5mm Swiss Ordnance (1970 headstamp), "drslav's 7.5mm handload", 32 S&W Long

Lower left to right (once-fired from my M1882 Swiss Ordnance revolver): handload case (cut 32-20), 32 S&W Long case (bulged), 32 S&W Long case (not bulged)

Note that some of my Remington "Target" 32 S&W Long cases bulged, others did not. This points to thin-walled cases and brass inconsistency. Remington-brand brass is notoriously inconsistent.
 
Well I just happened upon another 50 32-20 cases (and a pile of bullets) so I really don't need the 32 S&W L brass, but I will still keep the straight cases for reloading for a S&W revolver.
 
What a find... a time machine that can ride on your hip if necessary! Now the big question...do you shoot it?

I know I would just to have the experience...and then I would clean it and put it away. Funny how that works...these guns we make and buy are not for us...they belong to people that haven't been born yet...
 
What a find... a time machine that can ride on your hip if necessary! Now the big question...do you shoot it?

I know I would just to have the experience...and then I would clean it and put it away. Funny how that works...these guns we make and buy are not for us...they belong to people that haven't been born yet...

Yes I shoot it. It shoots well. I bought it to use it, and pass it down to my son.
 
Has hammer disconnect when gate is open. Pull the trigger to load and unload.

Kinda goes against all safety rules about keeping your finger off the trigger until firing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ3sxImOcjw

AGREED! This is one revolver that you need to be extremely careful with. However, once you get a feel for its quirks, it is very hard to beat. It is exceptionally well made, for any era, and it is a real straight shooter!

Apparently, one was in service with the Swiss military until 1964... basically until it finally wore out! Not many firearms, of an antique design, that have served that long.
 
30 M1 Carbine full length carbide sizing die
30 Luger expanding die
30 Luger bullet seating die + crimper

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--> 100 grain H&N lead wadcutter (.314 diameter)
--> full length (uncut) 32-20 Win cases
--> 2.9 grains of Trail Boss
--> CCI small pistol primers

Overall cartridge length is 1 mm less than cylinder length.

Perfection !
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That's awesome set up. They look gorgeous. Where are the bullets from? How do they fit in the cylinder? As far as tightness goes? Let me know how it shoots!! At that length they shouldn't be too hot. I would like to try it in the Swede husky of mine/. What is the overall length on these?
 
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