Push feed vs controlled feed
- Thread starter Victor Simon
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It doesn't really matter if it is push feed or controlled round feed if both systems function correctly.
A controlled round feed is no better than a push feed if it doesn't work.
The same goes for the push feed.
... and I have seen both systems with failures.
What is important is that you are familiar with your rifle and have tested it thoroughly.
A controlled round feed is no better than a push feed if it doesn't work.
The same goes for the push feed.
... and I have seen both systems with failures.
What is important is that you are familiar with your rifle and have tested it thoroughly.
At one time I drank the CRF koolaid; I actually went to the extreme of taking a pair of the earliest Ruger 77 MkII rifles to a favourite local gunsmith, who was able to machine the bolt faces and turn them into CRF. I had purchased those rifles very soon after they were introduced, so when they upgraded that model to CRF shortly after its introduction I just had to "improve" them. They worked great...but they worked great before as well, so...
Nowadays I don't give a rat's behind whether or not a rifle has CRF. In fact, as I relentlessly whittle my gun collection down to the final "keepers", I find that all my real favourites are push feeds. But I'm weird; I don't like detachable mags, or guns without iron sights, or fad cartridges like the .375Ruger, or...
If I were to ever get to the point where I only had a few rifles, they'd all be push feeds...single shots that you open the breech and then push in a cartridge...
Nowadays I don't give a rat's behind whether or not a rifle has CRF. In fact, as I relentlessly whittle my gun collection down to the final "keepers", I find that all my real favourites are push feeds. But I'm weird; I don't like detachable mags, or guns without iron sights, or fad cartridges like the .375Ruger, or...
If I were to ever get to the point where I only had a few rifles, they'd all be push feeds...single shots that you open the breech and then push in a cartridge...
This debate is a non-issue... even though virtually all of my rifles are CRF, that is not why they were chosen... if they were all push feed that would be fine with me... both systems work just fine.
P.S - I could not vote because you did not have an "I don't care" option.
P.S - I could not vote because you did not have an "I don't care" option.
I was wondering how long it would be before someone brought this up...
For the record: I have tried cycling an assortment of Rem700's, Savage 10/110's, Blaser R93's, Vanguards, maybe a couple I've forgotten...while holding them upside down. Virtually every one of them will cycle if operated smartly, which, if I were actually hanging inverted from a tree avoiding a messy death at the hands of a bear, buffalo or other nasty critter...is likely the way I would want to operate it. They don't work upside down if you aren't fairly forceful; so what?
So, if you are operating a bolt slooooooowly and quietly, so as not to alarm some hapless deer who is within range of your empty-chambered rifle...and you're doing it while hanging upside-down for personal reasons unrelated to your own survival...maybe you need a CRF. If you stutter so strongly that you are afraid you'll create a double-feed situation by shaking your hand violently while cycling a bot...maybe you need a CRF. Otherwise...nah.
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This. ^
Johnn Peterson
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john-brennan
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- Vancouver Island B.C.
I prefer a CRF but own 3 push feeds also and they all shoot real well.
Only control “CRF” I had was a Sako 85, if you consider the Sako a CRF. Not sure if this is applicable to all CRF but you had to cycle it backwards fast or the case would fall back into the action. I know Sako are known for this issue buy hitting the scope but both Sakos I owned (260 and 7mmRM) did this if cycled slowly, even with the scope removed. I prefer push feed. No matter how fast or slow I cycle it feeds. I know rifles are not ment to be cycled slow, but I put 2000+ rounds down a short action every year, I end up short stroking the long action action CRF and not hitting the ejector hard enough and not ejecting. With push feed the case still clears the port and the case pops out.
Frankly, who cares if it works upside down.
If I get a funky round that doesn't want to chamber I want to be able to get rid of it before the bolt goes completely home. With a push feed you have no grip on it, so your options are jam the bolt home and hope the extractor gets a grip ( in the meantime you've just pushed the errant cartridge even tighter into the chamber ) or go find a cleaning rod.
Plus, the CRF just feels smoother in operation to me.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
I've used both for decades, and never had an issue with either one that I could blame the design for. I'll jump on the "I don't give a crap" band wagon.
I guess I would be in the "don't care" group. Have both styles and I am able to screw both up by times. I have a question though. Is there a difference between push feed double stack magazine like rem 700 and the push feed single stack like Savage or Tikka? Seems only one shell exposed to the bolt eliminates some problems.
