Pushed in bullets question???

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A fellow gave me his 32SPL to sight in for him as he isn't physically able to do alot of shooting. The rifle came with a couple of boxes of shells.

1 box was brand new and the other box had a bunch of cartridges that had the bullets pushed into that case, from recoil in the mag tube, as pictured. The shell on the right is the new, long one, the others are the pushed-in ones.

Question ....... Can these be safely shot in his rifle :?:
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SuperCub said:
Question ....... Can these be safely shot in his rifle :?:
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I know I would not shoot them out of MY rifle. Chamber pressures will increase for sure if fired the way they are. How much they will rise is anyone's quess. I would not want to take the chance the rifle may be damaged.

If you had the proper dies you may be able to partially pull the bullets and reset to the proper length and re-crimp.
 
I wouldnt shoot them either Paul, pull them and reload them would be all I could think of :D

oh and thats not the only winchester caliber factory I have seen that in, 44-40 and 30-30 have been known to push in, poor sizing I think of the brass in the factory , maybe they should look at crimping there lever caliber ammo like others do :idea:
 
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I know I would not shoot them out of MY rifle. Chamber pressures will increase for sure if fired the way they are. [/quote]
OK :arrow:

Nuther Question ............ What is it about these cartrdges that will increase chamber pressures over the good ones :?:

thnx............SC
 
What is it about these cartrdges that will increase chamber pressures over the good ones
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The diminished Case capacity due to the bullets being pushed deeper in the case, less space with the same amount of powder = more pressure :wink:
 
I wouldn't shoot 'as is' them either...

I'd use a kinetic puller to pull all the bullets. Dump out the powder. Resize the case necks. [Necks only, to save the primers]. Put the powder back & reseat the bullets (to the same depth/OAL as the other loaded ctgs).

Then you'll be 'good to go'. :wink:
 
BCWILL said:
What is it about these cartrdges that will increase chamber pressures over the good ones
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The diminished Case capacity due to the bullets being pushed deeper in the case, less space with the same amount of powder = more pressure :wink:
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Actually that is not necessarily true.The bullets are loose in the case necks and will move very easily as the pressure builds in the cartridge.When you add in the fact that the bullets will have a larger jump before striking the rifling which will result in the bullets being engraved much easier,the peak pressure may even be reduced instead of increased.
 
BCWILL wrote:
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What is it about these cartrdges that will increase chamber pressures over the good ones

The diminished Case capacity due to the bullets being pushed deeper in the case, less space with the same amount of powder = more pressure


Actually that is not necessarily true.The bullets are loose in the case necks and will move very easily as the pressure builds in the cartridge.When you add in the fact that the bullets will have a larger jump before striking the rifling which will result in the bullets being engraved much easier,the peak pressure may even be reduced instead of increased.
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This would be the case if you manually load them into the chamber. The opposite would happen if they were fed from a magazine. Spring pressure from the follower may push them deeper as well as recoil. They may stay loose, they may not. :shock:
Best to pull them as has been said Paul.
 
If you have a seating die, just use the kinetic puller to make them "way to long" then reseat them to the proper length.

Load them manual single shot for sighting.

Are you sure they are factory?
 
I would buy different loads from now on as these loads obviously had a poor crimp or not enough interference fit in order for the bullets to be pushed into the case.
 
To damn dangerous to fire these... Like others have said, pull the bullets, weigh the powder charge, neck size, styff the same qty powder back in and reseat bullets. Maybe a Lee crimping die is in order (I use one for my lever gun).

Troutseeker
 
I would shoot them...no prob... If they ar factory there will be no prob about over pressure because they have a big jump to get into the rifeling...they will not be the most accurate but if you just want to shoot them giver....compresed charge? who cares....when you use Varget like in my 308.....46 grains is a compressed charge.....big deal...

I would not even think about it...
 
stubblejumper said:
Actually that is not necessarily true.The bullets are loose in the case necks and will move very easily as the pressure builds in the cartridge.When you add in the fact that the bullets will have a larger jump before striking the rifling which will result in the bullets being engraved much easier,the peak pressure may even be reduced instead of increased.
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Ummmmmm Okay :roll:
Of course if the opposite happens and Chamber pressures are Increased to unsafe levels one could risk the destruction of a potentially valuable firearm, nevermind the risk of injury to the shooter :shock:
There are "Minimum" OALengths in reloading manuals for a reason :?
Personnaly I'd yank the bullets if I needed the brass and not screw around with a couple bucks worth of crap ammo :wink:
 
james said:
I would shoot them...no prob... If they ar factory there will be no prob about over pressure because they have a big jump to get into the rifeling...they will not be the most accurate but if you just want to shoot them giver....compresed charge? who cares....when you use Varget like in my 308.....46 grains is a compressed charge.....big deal...

I would not even think about it...
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even captain deadly woulda thought about this :roll: :lol:
 
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