PWS or Sig Sauer 516?

PWS hands down. I own a Mk112 (12" 223) and a 109 (9.75" 300blackout) and both are awesome.
My 112 has close to 4000 rounds through it and hardly shows any wear and still hasn't had a single failure that wasn't operator induced. The only failures were when I let a buddy play with it and he failed to seat the mag correctly.
They are also very accurate for a piston gun and almost as light as a DI rifle.
If I had more money right now I would buy another without hesitation.

I'm sure the SIG is nice but it's just another AR copy.
 
Don't mean to derail this thread off track, but IMO the Adcor B.E.A.R. Elite wins in the best piston design.


Their website doesn't really have much info on the piston system other than claiming it's the best so what is so great about it other than the forward charging handle?
Looks nice and I'm not bashing it or saying it isn't a better system, just looking for some more info. To me the long stroke gas system in the PWS is hard to beat for reliability and after seeing the groups mine is capable of it is pretty good for a factory piston rifle.

My MK112 in factory FDE with ACOG
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Went back on their site and would like to know more about how they have a free float barrel and gas piston system at the same time. Couldn't find any pictures of how this is achieved.
 
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Their website doesn't really have much info on the piston system other than claiming it's the best so what is so great about it other than the forward charging handle?
Looks nice and I'm not bashing it or saying it isn't a better system, just looking for some more info. To me the long stroke gas system in the PWS is hard to beat for reliability and after seeing the groups mine is capable of it is pretty good for a factory piston rifle.

My MK112 in factory FDE with ACOG
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Went back on their site and would like to know more about how they have a free float barrel and gas piston system at the same time. Couldn't find any pictures of how this is achieved.

All of the info is on their website :)

http://adcordefense.com/products/

Essentially, it's a free float, long stoke piston system as the system is completely off the barrel and is attached to the top portion of the handguard.

There is no carrier tilt as the Op rod is connected onto the BCG and rides into the boss of the upper receiver.

The spring loaded port dust whipper is quite ingenious too. It pops in place in the ejection port when a round is fired and stays in place to prevent any debris of entering into the action.

The fully ambi, non reciprocating charging handle is pretty sweet.

I don't reload and only run an Eotech EXPX3 on top of mine (so plinky Eagle ammo and short distance shooting, i.e. 75 yards in), but with either quality match ammo or reloads and a decent 1-6x/8x glass on top of it I am pretty sure that one would obtain some pretty damm good results at 100-200yards and would give a comparable $$$ DI AR build a run for its money, and stay clean while doing it.
 
All of the info is on their website :)

http://adcordefense.com/products/

Essentially, it's a free float, long stoke piston system as the system is completely off the barrel and is attached to the top portion of the handguard.

There is no carrier tilt as the Op rod is connected onto the BCG and rides into the boss of the upper receiver.

The spring loaded port dust whipper is quite ingenious too. It pops in place in the ejection port when a round is fired and stays in place to prevent any debris of entering into the action.

The fully ambi, non reciprocating charging handle is pretty sweet.

I don't reload and only run an Eotech EXPX3 on top of mine (so plinky Eagle ammo and short distance shooting, i.e. 75 yards in), but with either quality match ammo or reloads and a decent 1-6x/8x glass on top of it I am pretty sure that one would obtain some pretty damm good results at 100-200yards and would give a comparable $$$ DI AR build a run for its money, and stay clean while doing it.

Watched a video showing the Adcor BEAR, looks pretty sweet but the only thing I like better than the PWS is the forward charging handle.
I should take some pics of the PWS BCG and piston setup. It's simpler and works the same way to eliminate carrier tilt.
Like I said earlier, mine has close to 4000 rounds and has virtually no visible wear.
Who sells Adcor in Canada? I'd like to look into them further.
 
Watched a video showing the Adcor BEAR, looks pretty sweet but the only thing I like better than the PWS is the forward charging handle.
I should take some pics of the PWS BCG and piston setup. It's simpler and works the same way to eliminate carrier tilt.
Like I said earlier, mine has close to 4000 rounds and has virtually no visible wear.
Who sells Adcor in Canada? I'd like to look into them further.

PWS makes some nice stuff. I have their enhanced buffer tubes on my ambi lowers for my ADCOR uppers. Excellent tube!! I've only heard good things about them and have no doubt they are high quality.

The advantage of the ADCOR includes the stuff BenL listed. The easiest to overlook is what BenL mentioned regarding the piston in the handguard. You get DI tube off the barrel to the piston which is connected to the free float handguard. Also a long stroke piston setup. But this negates the usual barrel harmonics as thecpiston isn't connected to the barrel. DI accuracy in a piston without having to resort to a SS barrel. The barrel for the Elite model is the FN 249 barrel.

The free float handguard is locked in giving it monolithic properties without being a full monolithic upper. The lower part slides off by pushing a button. Tool less take down. The rail slots are angled so they aren't as sharp.

I have the 16" version. One thing you have to test out is how well it balances. It feels more like a DI rifle than a piston gun. It balances very well. It's hard to explain until you check one out.

Secondary dust guard also acts as a scraper if crud does get in. Plus it adds one more defense against crud when in use.

The BCG is chromed and HPI tested etc. The gas system is adjustable.

Zero carrier tilt. Plus I really like the forward charging handle. You can lock the bolt open weak side hand only. In prone especially if larger optics are mounted it works great. Plus you still have the regular charging handle. I can confirm that the Rapter ambi handle works with this upper.

The negatives are cost, not well known, you lose a side rail with the forward charging handle, and only one QR point on the handguard (6 o'clock at the very front). Also if you pull back on the side charger leaving it back then hit the bolt release you will mark up the rail where the latch rests (See extremely prevalent M4 carbine site review with damage). Don't do that. Also some cheap spray on rubber coating from can tire on that area will likely make this even less of an issue. Oh and the regular dust cover isn't as cool looking as the stock AR covers.

ADCOR used to make a significant number of uppers for colt. They got into firearms by producing the colt uppers. The irony is many of those who would overlook this rifle may very well have ADCOR made uppers in their prized colt rifles. They designed this upper as an improved design using the Colt uppers they made as a baseline.

The ingenuity really impressed me. It's a very clever and well thought out upper. Frankly I thought the AR was nearing it's end. The ADCOR simply and elegantly adds the extra benefits while retaining the old strengths as well. Frankly it's such a simple and elegant solution that when coupled with a high end ambi lower really shines. They solved the DI vs piston debate. No more compromises and went even further including making the ergos even better.

If you already have a high end AR or a few of them you're going to be happy as the high end stuff is very good. But if looking at a new high end AR or for something a bit different then it's worth a serious look.
 
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One quick remark to add regarding the use of the PWS enhanced buffer tube & lack of a rear QD point on the handguard is that the PWS enhanced tube comes with a built-in QD point. Sure its further back than what you'd expect, but it has worked really well for me thus far.
 
The advantage of the ADCOR includes the stuff BenL listed. The easiest to overlook is what BenL mentioned regarding the piston in the handguard. You get DI tube off the barrel to the piston which is connected to the free float handguard. Also a long stroke piston setup. But this negates the usual barrel harmonics as thecpiston isn't connected to the barrel. DI accuracy in a piston without having to resort to a SS barrel. The barrel for the Elite model is the FN 249 barrel.

The BCG is chromed and HPI tested etc. The gas system is adjustable.

Thank you, that's what I was wondering on how they call a piston gun free floated.

What is HPI? Do you mean MPI as in Mag Particle Inspected?
Why do you need an adjustable gas system if your not going to run suppressed? Mine isn't adjustable and run's all factory 223 I've tried without problems.
 
Thank you, that's what I was wondering on how they call a piston gun free floated.

What is HPI? Do you mean MPI as in Mag Particle Inspected?
Why do you need an adjustable gas system if your not going to run suppressed? Mine isn't adjustable and run's all factory 223 I've tried without problems.

Yes MPI, I typed that post on my iPhone. This one too so please take that into consideration. Between typos and auto correct you can see the issues. Slow too. Not sure how I got HPI but if it ever becomes a standard I want royalties,

You don't need it. But the 62 5.56 has higher pressure than 223. It allows you to tailor it so you aren't overgassing. Might increase accuracy and should reduce any wear/tear. If nothing else use it as a regular/extreme conditions switch. My PE90 has a two setting gas selector as well.

With G96 soaked, Spike tactical heavy buffer and tactical springs buffer spring both my uppers shot 55 American eagle on the 556 setting flawlessly. This setting allows less gas as the 6.56 is higher pressure. Should really be labelled 1 and 2 for settings. There is a 4 position you can get that was for the military version which included a surpressor setting.
 
PWS hands down. I own a Mk112 (12" 223) and a 109 (9.75" 300blackout) and both are awesome.
My 112 has close to 4000 rounds through it and hardly shows any wear and still hasn't had a single failure that wasn't operator induced. The only failures were when I let a buddy play with it and he failed to seat the mag correctly.
They are also very accurate for a piston gun and almost as light as a DI rifle.
If I had more money right now I would buy another without hesitation.

I'm sure the SIG is nice but it's just another AR copy.

Did some more research and found out a bunch more about the SIG, seems like a very nice rifle but I'm still gonna say PWS.
 
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