PX4 Storm ... considering purchase ... you like yours?
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They are 749 at my LGS.....a M&P9 range kit with one more mag then the Beretta comes with, a holster and a speed loader is $100 less......just sayin'
Having said that, If you like the looks of the PX4 and you want one.....go for it.
Having said that, If you like the looks of the PX4 and you want one.....go for it.
BlackWatch
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If adjustable grip sizes weren't a requirement the PX4 would not have been chosen for CBSA. At the time there wre very few options with this odd characteristic. The HK P30 came out in 2006 and iirc that was the year the CBSA pistol was chosen. I'm not sure why the P30 was not in the running, maybe it was not released at the time.
I like the looks of the PX4 and I believe that's why a lot of people are interested in it. The DAO trigger is horrible. Maybe the other DA/SA models have better triggers. Perhaps due to the price point CBSA paid Beretta cheaped out resulting in 5000 negative opinions.
The magazines are very cheap and don't like to be dropped on hard surfaces. Perhaps the civilian models have better mags.
If you can get one for $600 I'm sure you could shoot it for a year and get $500-$600 for it if you're not satisfied. That's not much to lose on a gun. I wouldn't pay $899+ tax& shipping new and then not like it and lose $400 on it. Good luck...
I like the looks of the PX4 and I believe that's why a lot of people are interested in it. The DAO trigger is horrible. Maybe the other DA/SA models have better triggers. Perhaps due to the price point CBSA paid Beretta cheaped out resulting in 5000 negative opinions.
The magazines are very cheap and don't like to be dropped on hard surfaces. Perhaps the civilian models have better mags.
If you can get one for $600 I'm sure you could shoot it for a year and get $500-$600 for it if you're not satisfied. That's not much to lose on a gun. I wouldn't pay $899+ tax& shipping new and then not like it and lose $400 on it. Good luck...
They only put that requirement in to block the Glock! The 5/6 lb trigger on the Glock was heaven compared to the PX4, the magazines made by Glock are the best magazines made. The G lic/LEO price on the Glock 19 down in Florida is, I think a fraction under $400.00 and no lingering problems, holster up, right out of the Box!
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I was told that the criteria was written to make the M&P a shoe-in to move towards swapping 5946 for M&P for 17000 Mounties. Maybe it was an attempt to continue the long relationship with S&W or maybe the Glock rep didn't take the right people golfing lol.
It is strange that no federal officers carry Glocks when they make up roughly 50% of North American police sidearms. I'm not a Glock fan, had a 17 and 34, and didn't like the way they fit in my hand. However, you cannot deny their quality and reliability. The mags are the best.
It is strange that no federal officers carry Glocks when they make up roughly 50% of North American police sidearms. I'm not a Glock fan, had a 17 and 34, and didn't like the way they fit in my hand. However, you cannot deny their quality and reliability. The mags are the best.
Some jiggery pokery! For sure.
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Sounds like you found your own little slice of Heaven. Enjoy yourself Mike!
Just because someone else prefers fish over steak, doesn't mean you should order the fish. Don't let someone tell you how things should taste in your mouth. All the pros and cons of the PX4 are well documented as with most if not all firearms that are out there and in terms of comparisons in this category of pistol... unless you are in the military or a top notch competitor, you are really splitting hairs. Point is, life is short and if you like steak, order the steak.
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Why? What's wrong with glocks? and to the person that suggested p30s. Lol canadian feds can't afford hks lol
I have one, was my first pistol. I love the ergonomics and it shoots soft. The price is very unfortunate, I don't think its worth HK prices, but this was before I knew anything and I wanted to buy my first handgun at my LGS so I could hold it and get a feel for it. If you can find one for 600 or so, its not a bad piece.
Cheers to your complete lack of understanding of who you were talking to. I LOL'd at his reply. Thanks Mike!
As for the PX4, I could talk about it at length. It's a good pistol, but unfortunately due to the added cost of the Restricted barrel, it's over priced. The ergonomics are great and it shoots nice. As a service firearm, it leaves a lot to be desired. As a target gun and a range toy... If you don't mind the price, it will treat you well.
A lot of us have brought up great facts and figures $$$$ , but at the end of the day ( or visa in some cases ) it boils down to " does it blow your hair back " ? As in do you wake up and fall asleep thinking about it ? If so , there's only one way to scratch that itch ! If not keep looking and save your $ . Best of luck ! Ernst
If the feds can afford $35 billion planes, I think they can afford a HK pistol.
Besides, its not THEIR money, they are spending our money.
Wait, so they bought ####ty guns that are overpriced for what they are, and borderline unacceptable for a service pistol? Yupp, that sounds like the feds all right. If they got the HK it would have been expensive, but at least they would have gotten good guns for my money.
I'll keep my eyes out for this, I passed on the PX4 hoping it would be something ... better. If Beretta comes out with a clear capable replacement for the 92, I'll be on board.
They aren't over priced when buying 5000 of them. I think they paid about $300 per unit.
The equipment isn't the expensive part. It's the training that racked the bills up. That number starts with a B...
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Correct! USCBP (US Customs) also uses the H&K as well.
BooSSted said:
Actually it works out to $198/unit. So considering that, even with their IOP price which is significantly less than retail, I'd never buy one.
If you have your heart set on a DAO hammer fired pistol look at the Sig Sauer P250. Slightly lighter trigger but just as long. Much more reliable (Sig) and the second gen are where it's at. As for a DA/SA I'd buy the Beretta 92 or 92A1 (M9, M9A1) all day long. Again proven design and proven reliability with millions of rounds downrange with the US military and very few failures.
Distances can vary considerably. Most law enforcement shootings are very close range but, I've got lots of wide open space I can see currently and really I'd rather have the distance between them and me if at all possible (I may not be so lucky however). Also armed officers work in a variety of different modes and operations (and not all armed officers are BSOs) not just highway crossings. Also remember CBSA officers have no other firearm other than a sidearm so just as well qualifications happen at 25m as there's no other firearm to turn to if the distance grows.
All the federal agencies who carry sidearms follow the RCMP model. Not all police forces qualify at 25m (most practice at 25m however) but, then again they also have other firearms for longer distances. Most officers are now passing, even with the 25m especially with changes to the program which mean more range time and coaching if you fail your course.
On topic, I'd likely not buy a PX4 for myself, I mean it's ok but, nothing I'd spend my own money on. I have colt commander sized handguns and a Boberg Arms as I carry when in Alaska (and a 454 for the Alaskan bush). Save your money, I hate the sticky out barrel of the restricted model too. If I was going to buy a PX4 might spring for the .45acp SD but, it's a slightly different animal than the 9mm and pricey.
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Reference the handgun for the bush, up north! I had a student who came to me for refresher course once a year.
His trade was an Environmental archaeologist? Or some such, the reason for the training, he had to apply for a cross Canada permit from the RCMP, each year.
His Revolver was a Dirty Harry special, Model 29 6" barrel, in blue steel, when he first came to me, he had not brought his own Revolver, apparently wherever he went before, had him shoot a S&W Mod. 10, with reloads!
Made another appointment so he could bring his own Revolver, and a 50 round box of his carry ammunition, soft point 44 magnum.
First 100 round draw and fire, a Mod 65 S&W factory ammo. Then switch to his Mod 29.
First round at 20 yards (only distance available on indoor range) way low! "Try single action" said I. an inch away from his first double action hit, way low!
Unload Mod 29, take into training room. The back sight was tightened down! Tight! Asked him why it was there?
He said he thought it was loose, so he screwed it down tight! And no he had never fired it! had it ten years plus.
I explained the use of the sights, adjusted same, 2" high at 20 yards, his double action hits were good. Tiny blob of locktight! Insurance! His pistol was a beautifully finished pistol/Revolver.
Saw him for years. Off topic, but an interesting man.
