I really like the look of that 'sniper rifle'.
Sorry I quess not. It is a PLA training video for recruits on how to transition from carrying rifle on the back with sling to the ready position. The style and shape of the gun allows this. Try to do that with a M4?
I really like the look of that 'sniper rifle'.
Tactical Imports brought them in at $3000 apiece, only comes with 3 mags pinned to 5 rounds and no way of buying more. If there's some way we can convince them to make one that takes STANAG and lower the price, I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes. I heard it shoots sub MoA with match ammunition but I've never seen any videos of it in action or photos of target papers so take it with a grain of salt.
Ah yes, I remember seeing those rifles on Tactical Imports website. A STANAG magwell would be necessary for this rifles to sell here but they look much nicer than the currently available Type 97 rifle. Drop the optic and use a 18.5" barrel and you would be good to go.
Ah, so you're one of those Hong Kongers who came to Canada prior to the handover. My parents came for different reasons. Anyways, you are correct, they developed the 5.8mm first, using the Type 87. 1995 is when they started producing the 5.8mm weapon family for use by the Chinese Armed Forces, but they have been using it in Type 88 before, designed with Israeli help.
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- Should not assumeUnless you've shot the rifles in a Chinese army base, you didn't shoot the "88 DMR". What you most likely shot was the KBU-97 rifle, the 5.56 variant of the QBU-88.
*Is Chinese and knows the Chinese government & military inside and out*
I really don't think you're getting the idea of what I'm trying to say...
Your original request is to get the QBB or LSW version in 5.56/.223 which I said the RCMP would not really go for.
I suggest parts or upgrade to make it look like the QBB/LSW - which could be imported (if NS wants to chime in) - to begin with but you didn't acknowledge the idea till later
I have shot the type 88, it is not called a "sniper", when I was taught my chief says the internals are different and if it needs work it would have to be sent to a different dept.
I have shot the new type 97 NSR, it is already accurate if you practice some marksmanship.
If you want to dress it up like an AR-15, you are in a world of pain and would likely be hard-pressed to find parts
Btw, a Type 97 "Sniper" which is true to its name 九七式狙撃銃 is a Japanese rifle.
Type 88/KBU-97(import)'s action is different.
And please don't call it a "Banana mag"
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- should stop assuming
-Read what a real "type 97 sniper rifle" is
- Should not assume
This video? Nice find~
Tactical Imports brought them in at $3000 apiece, only comes with 3 mags pinned to 5 rounds and no way of buying more. If there's some way we can convince them to make one that takes STANAG and lower the price, I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes. I heard it shoots sub MoA with match ammunition but I've never seen any videos of it in action or photos of target papers so take it with a grain of salt.
SU16shooter, for someone who allegedly shot the QBU-88 in 5.8mm, and I have many friends who were invited to the military range in Guangdong and paid to shoot it, not a big deal, you seem to keep on putting forward incorrect information.
1. It's "sniper rifle", not "sniper". A pilot pilots a plane, a sniper shoots sniper rifles. A pilot does not fly his pilot anymore than a sniper shoots his sniper.
2. The Japanese, Taiwanese, and Korean "Type XX" weapons have no bearing on what the Chinese names them. The Japanese Arisaka has no relevance to this discussion.
3. The CHINESE Type 97 sniper rifle, the KBU97A in 5.56mm, is very real.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080730020521/http://www.sinodefence.com/army/small_arms/qbu88.asp Incorrectly stated the export version is called QBU 97 but still, 97.
http://defenseupdates.########.ca/2013/01/chinese-qbu-88-kbu-97-designated.html Correctly stated the export version as KBU 97
http://everything-airsoft.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/rstype97sniper12.jpg Notice it says 97 on it. Even the airsoft maker, Real Sword, whose factory used to make real guns for the Chinese army called it the KBU97
So no I did not invent the term.
4. I call all curved boxed magazines banana magazines. Unlike your use of "sniper", it is actually acceptable usage.
5. He just told us he left Hong Kong prior to the 1997 handover. I'm not assuming, but I doubt you could actually comprehend what he wrote.
6. People have brought in belt fed .50 semi automatic guns based on heavy machine guns into Canada non-restricted before. Call it the Light Modern Sporting Rifle LMSR or Modern Individual Sporting Rifle MISR for all I care, it changes nothing.
Please, if you are going to spread misinformation, don't do it to hijack the thread.
I think this is where half your misunderstanding comes from. See, I was raised and schooled in Hong Kong, but I actually paid attention during English classes. So I'll try to clear some things up for you.sorry my grammar is bad, English is my 2nd language
There was NEVER a designation for the export/import rifle named "Type 97 5.56mm Sniper rifle"
I'm not sure why you're contradicting yourself... QBZ 95 is also known as the Type 95. The QBZ 56C carbine based on the AK47 is also called the Type 56C. So colloquially it would have been known as a Type 97 sniper rifle. So which is it? Never a Type 97 Sniper Rifle? Or there WAS a Type 97 sniper rifle called KBU-97A? You can't choose both.when it was exported to Cambodia it was called KBU-97(a?)
Wait a minute...5. I won't ask you what you did there you had to escape the country to avoid a bullet to the head. I stayed in Hong Kong past the 1997 handover and everybody I know there are perfectly fine.
It all makes sense now!Here's a picture of SU16Shooter...
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7. Ok I don't even know what you are trying to get at here. I think your lack of English comprehension is the cause of your misunderstanding.
I'm really just trying to give you the info. Sorry to force feed it into you. But I know you don't speak English very well, so depending on where you are in Canada, I may be able to recommend some English tutors to you.
Cheers!
And right here my friend you turned an informative discussion into something showing your ignorance. You could have easily made your point without making fun of his English but you did so and for that shame on you.
I think this is where half your misunderstanding comes from. See, I was raised and schooled in Hong Kong, but I actually paid attention during English classes. So I'll try to clear some things up for you.
1. The Russian and Chinese armies didn't make a distinction between snipers and designated marksmen until very recently. Until very recently they called both roles by the same name.
2.
I'm not sure why you're contradicting yourself... QBZ 95 is also known as the Type 95. The QBZ 56C carbine based on the AK47 is also called the Type 56C. So colloquially it would have been known as a Type 97 sniper rifle. So which is it? Never a Type 97 Sniper Rifle? Or there WAS a Type 97 sniper rifle called KBU-97A? You can't choose both.
3. The QBU-88 can chamber and fire the QBZ 95 ammunition. The only difference between the two rounds is weight, and how much steel is inside of it. The QBU-88 have tighter rifling required to stabilize the heavier 5.8mm, whereas the QBZ 95 does not. You could still shoot the QBU-88, QJY-88, or QBB-95 ammunition out of the QBZ 95, but this is considered unsafe and will yield poor performance. This all changed when the QBZ 95-1 came out, as both could fire the "heavy" 5.8mm.
3a. Real Sword is actually a Hong Kong company who bought the Chinese factory that used to make real firearms for the Chinese army. Don't believe me? email them yourself and ask.
service@realsword.com.hk
4. No, you can't call it a clip. A clip is used to charge a magazine. Banana refers to the shape of the magazine, and people call the AR15 STANAG as a "straight magazine" vs the AK47's "banana magazine".
5. I won't ask you what you did there you had to escape the country to avoid a bullet to the head. I stayed in Hong Kong past the 1997 handover and everybody I know there are perfectly fine.
6. When did I say I wanted it under $1000?
7. Ok I don't even know what you are trying to get at here. I think your lack of English comprehension is the cause of your misunderstanding.
I'm really just trying to give you the info. Sorry to force feed it into you. But I know you don't speak English very well, so depending on where you are in Canada, I may be able to recommend some English tutors to you.
Cheers!
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Wait a minute...
It all makes sense now!
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
What we need is for someone to import the 95 versions, along with a good supply of magazines, and Chinese calibre ammunition. The Chinese like money, if the firearms satisfy the RCMP there should be no reason why not. It would be kind of cool! OK, not as convenient as 5.56/stanag, but probably work a hell of a lot better. On my type 97 all the problems relate to the magazines and feeding -- exactly the thing that is different between the 97's and the 95's. Surprise surprise. I bet the 95's are absolutely flawless.
What we need is for someone to import the 95 versions, along with a good supply of magazines, and Chinese calibre ammunition. The Chinese like money, if the firearms satisfy the RCMP there should be no reason why not. It would be kind of cool! OK, not as convenient as 5.56/stanag, but probably work a hell of a lot better. On my type 97 all the problems relate to the magazines and feeding -- exactly the thing that is different between the 97's and the 95's. Surprise surprise. I bet the 95's are absolutely flawless.
This thread is so off the rails. If it was more about getting a heavy barrel squad version it would be nice. Starting it with Airsoft and then trying to out-do each other on their Chinese has made it a sh#t show.