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I am looking for a good all around starter shotgun for skeet shooting, bird hunting and all around upland game. I think a pump action would be the best choice. I am wondering if a 12 guage has enough flexability to hunt evreything from rabbits and grouse to larger game like the Canada Goose and Turkey?? I am willing to listen to suggestions in guage choices!! So what make and model would fit the under $500 bill?? And what choke style and barrel length should I be looking for?? Thanks
 
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Benelli Nova followed by my next choice, the Remington 870...

Cheers
Jay
P.S. Unless your gonna spend big bucks, stay away from the semi's, you'll have headaches...
 
Iain G-T said:
I think you'll be happier with a good used O/U.

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For clays and all around hunting, I suspect an o/u will likely be what you end up with eventually.....

but a pump can do the job too - fine for trap shooting -not as good for other clay games, and for bird hunting, a pump is fine too. Just get one with a long-ish barrel (at least 26 to 28"), with interchangeable chokes.

Pumps are a very economical way to get into all the things you mentioned... and you will add other shotguns to your collection later.

The main thing is to get into the game - and if you can't justify spending on an o/u yet, then get the pump and never look back! 12g can do it all for you.
 
Really hard to beat the Remington 870 Express for both price & performance.

... should be $ 400 or under, not including tax.

Parts, chokes, accessories and aftermarket stuff available almost everywhere. A Remington 870 Express rifle sights/ fully-rifled slug barrel
is availab le for just a little over $ 200 if that's a factor - and not nearly so inexpensive if you want one from Stoeger, Benelli or the like. No complaints with those guns - they're just not as versatile as the Remington for the money.

Have had one for about 15 years. Replaced the eventually beat-up ( yeah, I'm a waterfowler - takes a toll on virtually any gun ) hardwood stock & forend with a synthetic Max-4HD camo aftermarket set (Ramline) , adjusting for drop & cast-off at the time. The aftermarket stock shape is actually more comfortable to shoot than the original. Different pad & overall stock shape - and a much better pistol grip dimension and cross section.

This gun's been out west, down into the States and to Cuba 4 times - it's lived a hard life in the snow and rain here in the north & salt-water mangroves in the Tropics. It's NEVER missed a beat and has never let me down. Even won a few "Pumpgun Only" Sporting Clay Shoots with it ( Prizes have totalled more than the gun was or is now worth - including winning another Rem. 870 as one HOA Shoot prize ! )

They ain't pretty, but they are very reliable. Like a Timex Watch - "takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin' ". Get some help in making it fit you. Not hard to change in respect of drop at comb/heel and obtaing the required cast-off. Fit is essential ... the gun has to shoot where you're looking, and add weight to achieve a neutral balance at a point directly under the extractor slot. Most 870's are otherwise, a tad muzzle heavy, which is counterproductive to fast handling and a good, smooth swing.

Supplied in either 26" or 28" barrel lengths. For the bulk of the hunting you describe hold out for the 26" length - much more suited to skeet & the uplands, and only a slight disadvantage for waterfowling & trap. Invest in a few additional chokes - particularly a Skeet & I/C (the Express comes only with a MOD. choke) - for Turkey, pick up either one of Remington's Turkey Chokes, or an aftermarket make of your choice. I'd also stick with the 12 gauge as a "starter" gun.

No, I don't work for Remington ... and as my sign line suggests, I'm a big Beretta fan. ( Primary target gun is a Beretta, but I have a few other small bore shotguns from other makers as well )

Good luck ... and practice lots ! One of the best "shooting coaches" is about10 flats of light target loads at Skeet. You'll come to understand fit, balance, swing and forward allowance in short order.
 
Choices!!

It is now pretty much between the Remington 8700, Winchester 1300 or the Benelli Nova. I think I would want a synthetic material for the inclimate weather, that could be a factor. Does the wood stand up to rain and snow well?? Would you reccomend a camo synthetic?? What do you think??
 
You really need to price the 870 and the Stoeger.... then look at them side by side on the gun counter.... no contest... the P-350 is cheaper comes with more features/chokes and is a better gun than the 870.
It is the chev version of the Nova for 1/3 less.
 
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Not to sound biased or anything...but I'd add the Browning BPS to your list. I have the BPS Stalker (synthetic) model and it has never, ever failed me. I like the plus of the bottom-ejection system that drops the shells straight down. It makes it easy to pick them up and be environmentally friendly.
 
savage-man said:
I am wondering if a 12 guage has enough flexability to hunt evreything from rabbits and grouse to larger game like the Canada Goose and Turkey??

Try Squirels to Grizzly Bear :D
The 12 Guage is easily the most versatile firearm ever invented... everyone should have one.
 
For that price I would go with a Rem 870 Express 3.5" and a SWAT12 choke tube. Then during the off season save some extra $$$ and add either a Terror .675 or WW Sumpreme.
 
Whew Beretta boy. Great post about the Remingtons. Like you my main gun is a Beretta and I love it to death. Presently own 2 11-87's and a 1100 all in 12 ga. Can't ask for better guns. When something breaks, and something always will, parts and after market gizmos are plentyful for the Rem's. Used to own 870's but don't have one at the moment but aim to fix that soon. I'm partail to the Wingmasters but the Express is priced right. What ever gun you decide on try and shoot one before you buy. Fit is everything!
 
savage-man said:
Are Stoeger shotguns made by Benelli??

No, but they have access to the Benelli "patents" but are made in Turkey; Beretta/Benelli/Beretta (probably more) are all under the same umbrella.

Parts will not swap with the Benelli equivalent.
 
G37 said:
Try Squirels to Grizzly Bear :D
The 12 Guage is easily the most versatile firearm ever invented... everyone should have one.
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Not perfect in every situation, but versatile enough to do everything. Especially bear defense... :D
 
savage-man the Stoeger p-350 i'm getting is $393 and it's in full camo with 5 choke tubes. If your looking for a real low price gun Sir mail order has a maverick 88 for $206 30" barrel and a mod choke tube, 3" chamber.

Is the 870 you seen for $324 the 3 1/2" chamber like the stoeger?
 
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BIGREDD said:
You really need to price the 870 and the Stoeger.... then look at them side by side on the gun counter.... no contest... the P-350 is cheaper comes with more features/chokes and is a better gun than the 870.
It is the chev version of the Nova for 1/3 less.

Have to agree with BIGREDD. The Stoeger looks like more gun for the money, easily, and I love my 870's. Definately more value for your buck if you are new to the shotgun game than an O/U or a SxS and not sure what you like/need yet.
 
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