Quebec, SKS and Ammo - not Registered? [answered-thank you]

we have no right to property in this country . nothing in the constitution says we have the right to property. so we have to register things so they can be removed from us later with no compensation
 
Beater said:
we have no right to property in this country . nothing in the constitution says we have the right to property. so we have to register things so they can be removed from us later with no compensation
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You can say that again...lol

I wonder if the right of property was left out because Canada is a monorchy and we are all subject meaning property of the monarch and how can property own property?
 
Ok, Just to make it Clear,

Harper didn't destroy the law for gun registration, he destroyed the non-restricted Registry. So the law is still in the Firearm Act. This is the same Law for our Restricted firearms or prohibited ones.

The Difference in Quebec is because the Government has an order form the court so Harper can't destroy the Quebec Data. Because of that RCMP, Quebec and Canada government decide that for Quebec Citizen it's going to be Status Quo. So we have to do the same thing than before. And if we don't register our gun, and because the Firearm Act isn't change than the same law can be used to get prosecuted if you don't register your firearm in Quebec.

The RCMP is not helping Quebec, they already using the Register for permit, prohibited and restricted firearms. So they don't have more job, they do the same but now they don't register non-restricted firearms. But If any canadian citizen want to register their gun, they will register it like old time. So on a voluntary bases, you can register your gun to the RCMP.

There is the explanation, so please people don't tell Quebec to don't register their gun, it's a bad advice. When it will all cleared up, the registry will be deleted in quebec too, they don't have money to create a gun registry.

English : http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/reg-enr/index-eng.htm
French: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/reg-enr/index-fra.htm

And if you want to register your gun online:

English: https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/eCFISIWS/openLicenceEntry.do?language=English
French: https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/eCFISIWS/openLicenceEntry.do?language=French

For all Quebec citizen, this is the fastest way to register your gun, I did it with my SKS from Westrifle. I had to call a 1-800 number to get the TRAF number and the name of a verificator. It took me 15min, and recived my registration 3days later.

I hope this post will help Quebec citizen in this.
 
Why Quebecers are in such a hurry to become sheep?! It is undeniable truth that Quebec government will find a way to screw its own people and in great majority of cases with the full consent of the people being screwed.

The last rumor i have heard from the people in the industry is that Quebec will try to use registry as a money making mechanism charging gun owners per gun they own.
Quebec has a huge budgetary hole, if my info correct it is 110% of GDP and it is getting only worse. Greece went down when its debt ratio was 150%.
Money has to come from somewhere.

PS: by the way tradex is moving out of Quebec. Another tax payer lost.
 
I wish there were more Quebecers like you :)

toutatis said:
Je ne suis ni federaliste,ni separatiste,simplement le plus objectif possible.
Je vends actuellement ma collection d'armes de surplus,et j'en achete de nouvelles pour varier le plaisir.
Tout ce qui est non restreint me parvenant des provinces hors Quebec n'est pas enregistre au CFAC.
Je ne sent pas coupable en n'enregistrant pas ces armes de facon volontaire pour ces raisons:
Mon pays est le Canada,c'est ce qui est marque sur mon passeport.
Quebec n'est pas capitale nationale,mais capitale provinciale.
La juridiction sur les armes a feu est de competence federale.
L'injonction du gouvernement quebecois ne s'adresse pas aux particuliers,meme si on nage en eau trouble,il y a toujours prescription pour les armes non-enregistrees detenues par les citoyens CANADIENS.
L'enregistrement des armes semi-auto,surtout celles coupables de delit de sale gueule,ouvre la voie pour confiscation,demilitarisation,destruction,sans compensation(voir l'exemple francais avec les fusils a pompe)au mieux le proprietaire sera le gardien de son arme sans pouvoir l'utiliser ni la revendre.
Si registre quebecois il y a,attendez-vous a payer(apres enregistrement volontaire et gratuit)a payer $$$$$ pour son maintient.
Ma vie active etant terminee,je suis capable de depenser mes pensions dans une autre province,je dois avouer que j'y pense serieusement!!
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Mako2710 said:
Ok, Just to make it Clear,

Harper didn't destroy the law for gun registration, he destroyed the non-restricted Registry. So the law is still in the Firearm Act. This is the same Law for our Restricted firearms or prohibited ones.

The Difference in Quebec is because the Government has an order form the court so Harper can't destroy the Quebec Data. Because of that RCMP, Quebec and Canada government decide that for Quebec Citizen it's going to be Status Quo. So we have to do the same thing than before. And if we don't register our gun, and because the Firearm Act isn't change than the same law can be used to get prosecuted if you don't register your firearm in Quebec.

The RCMP is not helping Quebec, they already using the Register for permit, prohibited and restricted firearms. So they don't have more job, they do the same but now they don't register non-restricted firearms. But If any canadian citizen want to register their gun, they will register it like old time. So on a voluntary bases, you can register your gun to the RCMP.

There is the explanation, so please people don't tell Quebec to don't register their gun, it's a bad advice. When it will all cleared up, the registry will be deleted in quebec too, they don't have money to create a gun registry.

English : http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/reg-enr/index-eng.htm
French: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/reg-enr/index-fra.htm

And if you want to register your gun online:

English: https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/eCFISIWS/openLicenceEntry.do?language=English
French: https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/eCFISIWS/openLicenceEntry.do?language=French

For all Quebec citizen, this is the fastest way to register your gun, I did it with my SKS from Westrifle. I had to call a 1-800 number to get the TRAF number and the name of a verificator. It took me 15min, and recived my registration 3days later.

I hope this post will help Quebec citizen in this.
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You the one spreading mis-information, C-19 absolutely removed the criminal consequences associated with not registering a non-restricted firearm

2.1 Amendments to the Criminal Code (Clauses 2–8)

Bill C-19 amends the Criminal Code so that failure to hold a registration certificate for a firearm that is neither restricted nor prohibited does not give rise to any of the offences relating to unauthorized possession of a firearm, and does not allow police to seize that firearm.
2.1.1 Offences Relating to Possession of a Firearm (Clauses 2–5)

Section 91 of the Code makes it an offence to possess a firearm without both a licence and a registration certificate. Bill C-19 amends this section so that it is an offence to be without a registration certificate for a prohibited or restricted firearm, but not for a non-restricted firearm (clause 2(1)). It will remain an offence to possess any firearm without holding the appropriate licence.
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http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliam...rl=41&Ses=1&source=library_prb&Language=E#a22

This isn't a police state, just because the rcmp says so dosent make it law.
 
toutatis said:
Je ne suis ni federaliste,ni separatiste,simplement le plus objectif possible.
Je vends actuellement ma collection d'armes de surplus,et j'en achete de nouvelles pour varier le plaisir.
Tout ce qui est non restreint me parvenant des provinces hors Quebec n'est pas enregistre au CFAC.
Je ne sent pas coupable en n'enregistrant pas ces armes de facon volontaire pour ces raisons:
Mon pays est le Canada,c'est ce qui est marque sur mon passeport.
Quebec n'est pas capitale nationale,mais capitale provinciale.
La juridiction sur les armes a feu est de competence federale.
L'injonction du gouvernement quebecois ne s'adresse pas aux particuliers,meme si on nage en eau trouble,il y a toujours prescription pour les armes non-enregistrees detenues par les citoyens CANADIENS.
L'enregistrement des armes semi-auto,surtout celles coupables de delit de sale gueule,ouvre la voie pour confiscation,demilitarisation,destruction,sans compensation(voir l'exemple francais avec les fusils a pompe)au mieux le proprietaire sera le gardien de son arme sans pouvoir l'utiliser ni la revendre.
Si registre quebecois il y a,attendez-vous a payer(apres enregistrement volontaire et gratuit)a payer $$$$$ pour son maintient.
Ma vie active etant terminee,je suis capable de depenser mes pensions dans une autre province,je dois avouer que j'y pense serieusement!!
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Yeah what he said....lol
 
Mako2710 said:
Ok, Just to make it Clear,

Harper didn't destroy the law for gun registration, he destroyed the non-restricted Registry. So the law is still in the Firearm Act. This is the same Law for our Restricted firearms or prohibited ones.

The Difference in Quebec is because the Government has an order form the court so Harper can't destroy the Quebec Data. Because of that RCMP, Quebec and Canada government decide that for Quebec Citizen it's going to be Status Quo. So we have to do the same thing than before. And if we don't register our gun, and because the Firearm Act isn't change than the same law can be used to get prosecuted if you don't register your firearm in Quebec.

The RCMP is not helping Quebec, they already using the Register for permit, prohibited and restricted firearms. So they don't have more job, they do the same but now they don't register non-restricted firearms. But If any canadian citizen want to register their gun, they will register it like old time. So on a voluntary bases, you can register your gun to the RCMP.

There is the explanation, so please people don't tell Quebec to don't register their gun, it's a bad advice. When it will all cleared up, the registry will be deleted in quebec too, they don't have money to create a gun registry.

English : http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/reg-enr/index-eng.htm
French: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/reg-enr/index-fra.htm

And if you want to register your gun online:

English: https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/eCFISIWS/openLicenceEntry.do?language=English
French: https://secure.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/eCFISIWS/openLicenceEntry.do?language=French

For all Quebec citizen, this is the fastest way to register your gun, I did it with my SKS from Westrifle. I had to call a 1-800 number to get the TRAF number and the name of a verificator. It took me 15min, and recived my registration 3days later.

I hope this post will help Quebec citizen in this.
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How can there be any prosecution, and upon which article of which law ? You point out that the Firearm Act did not change, but it did. Bill C-19 amended it, as was the Criminal Code. AFAIK (IANAL), as soon as an article of the CC or the FA is repealed or changed, it no longer applies, even if a province is not happy with it, and no prosecution can be made upon the old article...
 
dagtaph said:
Why Quebecers are in such a hurry to become sheep?! It is undeniable truth that Quebec government will find a way to screw its own people and in great majority of cases with the full consent of the people being screwed.

The last rumor i have heard from the people in the industry is that Quebec will try to use registry as a money making mechanism charging gun owners per gun they own.
Quebec has a huge budgetary hole, if my info correct it is 110% of GDP and it is getting only worse. Greece went down when its debt ratio was 150%.
Money has to come from somewhere.

PS: by the way tradex is moving out of Quebec. Another tax payer lost.
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Please don't spread FUD, Quebec debt is only about 50% of its GDP: (quoting : http://www.finances.gouv.qc.ca/en/page.asp?sectn=36&contn=333 )
 
I would wager that in the odd chance that Quebec finds the cash and manages to keep the registry under the nonwithstanding clause if it applies here. Quebecers will be given a grace period to register their long guns as the laws to prosecute us under are no longer valid
 
It is a responsibility of the buyer to register it in Quebec. None of the outside dealers have ability to do this. We lost our right to do so :)
 
So all Canadians besides quebecers don't need to register non restricting rifles? What if I have a cottage in Quebec and bring the gun into Quebec? It's very remote and only 4.5 km from the Ontario border. Not sure why anyone would want the government knowing they have weaponry! So if u register it does it become their property as stated in previous posts? If not registered they can't come knocking in ur door asking for ur property?

Thanks much
 
aoc230 said:
So all Canadians besides quebecers don't need to register non restricting rifles? What if I have a cottage in Quebec and bring the gun into Quebec? It's very remote and only 4.5 km from the Ontario border. Not sure why anyone would want the government knowing they have weaponry! So if u register it does it become their property as stated in previous posts? If not registered they can't come knocking in ur door asking for ur property?

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Thanks much
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Nice second post.... You should call your provincial CFO for their opinion...... Weaponry?
 
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