Question about Grenade Launchers

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From the other thread:

Milkor is the only one that went "restricted" (it's a semi automatic, not revolver, ya right).

Colt 40MM M203's are non-restricted. It has an FRT:

FRT# 125680-1
Type: 40MM Grenade Launcher
Model: M203
Manufacturer: Colt
Action Type: Single-Shot
Barrel: 12" - 305mm
Caliber: 40mm
 
too much sand for you.....

RobertMcC said:
Not classed as a firearm. Don't need a PAL/FAC to buy one. So OAL doesn't matter or what gun you put on it.

Some you can get a RAS mount for it, to mount it to a rail system. Harder ones to find.

Only thing you cannot fire is HE ammo out of it, Or those 12 Gauge Adapter, Prohib ammo. Recent law making them harder to import into Canada.

You can fire it any wheres because its not classed as a firearm, but that doesn't mean you can shoot it in the City....
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hmmmmm airsoft 40mm launcher that launches a slug filled with exploding bb pellets, or maybe a 40mm paint blob launcher strapped on a real ar-180b, excellent lethal/nonlethal combo! As long as the guy doesn't think that the ar-180b is fake as well...
 
lol, I graduated from airsoft class and got me a real one. All registered and everything :D.

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Big boom.

-Jamie M.
 
i know that in the CFSC manual it says that any catridge over 15mm that ignights or explodes on impact ERGO .50bmg API is porhibited how ever if you found a way to import 37mm explsive shellls you could be walking through the woods and a LEO couldn't say any thing according to that it says in the book that a 40mm HEDP grenade is legal under what is listed for prohibited ammunition
 
bigdawg said:
nice what that mount on a cz?
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Yep, non-restricted CZ 858-2 Tactical. Great match having a non-restricted M203 on there cause you can still take it hunting :D.


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As far as explosive rounds, etc, you're pretty limited.

Here are your choices:
1. You CAN NOT use any round that IS DESIGNED TO ignite or explode on IMPACT, they are illegal.
2. You can shoot 12ga "bear bangers" (explosive class = consumer, 1.4g) using a 40mm to 12ga adapter (legallity of this adapter is questionable if used in a 37mm launcher). Click for manufactures site, click for video of me shooting one. They are designed to explode after time delay (approx 1 second).
3. You can make your own binary compound explosive rounds if you have the proper license: http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/edu/edu_e.htm , click under Education, Pyrotechnic Special Effects Course. Costs $100 and as soon as your done the 1 day course, you can buy flash powder and manufacture your own explosive rounds (explosive class = professional, 1.3g). Only YOU can light them off, you can't sell or lend them or anything. There are special storage requirements (can't store em in your house, has to be seperate detached building on your property. Can't carry more then 25kg of them at a time in your car, etc.) Only you are licensed to manufacture them and use them. Remember, must be time delay fuse.

There are a couple of more options which I'm in the process of trying, but it doesn't look promising. The ERD just moved a bunch of the "fun stuff" to explosives class 1.1, which is the evil class. Can't move it in your car, need seperate storage bunker, pretty damn sure they wouldn't let you shoot it outa the launcher, etc.

In the videos I am using a 40mm to 1" aluminum adapter I had a machine shop make, cost about $35 for the material (6061 T6) and time. It uses a W209 shotgun primer, and is easily reloadable.

In the videos I'm shooting (inert) 1" dia x 2" oak dowel peices, on top of 130grains of FFFFg (yes, that's four f's) black powder.

Here is a good video showing the adapter up close:

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Of course the 12ga flare rounds are no problem. I've never seen any comercially available 40mm or 37mm flare rounds. And of course, any inert chalk round, plastic round, etc, no problem.
 
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Hummm... About manufacturing HE rounds with your pyro license in Canada, I have to disagree on that... Plus, at first, you only have an "Assistant" pyro card which limits what type of pyrotechnic devices you can use alone (maybe that changed??)

Manufacturing any explosive or explosive device requires a Manufacturing License. Now, you can mix and use flash powder, manufacture some devices (like hanging airburst charges for stage use) but definatly NOT high explosives (your HE is flash powder probably) or exploding rounds or even probably smoke rounds! Plus, flash powder is dangerous and sensitive! I would NEVER use it in a launcher (I like my fingers plus who would want to destroy a multi-K$ launcher??)

Furthermore, I fired a few 40mm rounds and they NEVER have the same flash your reloads have! For movies and fun, flash is great no doubt but real ammo is pretty much flashless, smokeless and quiet too!

Again, I may be wrong on this...
 
Shrapnel said:
(your HE is flash powder probably)
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Sorry for using HE, should have said explosive! We're talking binary compound (flash powder), not C4, Semtex, HMTD, PETN, etc. Although the BATFE considers flash powder (specifically high quality German Eckhart #5413-H Super 3 Micron Dark Aluminum, and high purity Chinese air milled Potassium Perchlorate) high explosive :D.

Shrapnel said:
(maybe that changed??)
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It's changed. You get your pyro use and purchasing license and manufacting pyrotechnic devices for 1.3g license as soon as your done the course (I just took it in May). The display fireworks course gives you the apprentice card (which I also took in May and am already a Display Fireworks Level 1 Supervisor :D).

Shrapnel said:
Manufacturing any explosive or explosive device requires a Manufacturing License. Now, you can mix and use flash powder, manufacture some devices (like hanging airburst charges for stage use)
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Exactly, all we are talking about is mixing flash powder and making some airbursts with time delay fuse. That is all.

Shrapnel said:
Furthermore, I fired a few 40mm rounds and they NEVER have the same flash your reloads have!
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I would NEVER use that powerful of a propellant charge when shooting explosives. It would blow them in the barrel for sure! Main reason I use oak when shooting the blanks is it's the only wood that won't turn into toothpics with that hot of a load!

-Jamie M.
 
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If you can justify your usage you can get 5lb samples from Eckart. Their distributor is ICC in Toronto.
 
LOL. did your one day course tell you the difference between "explosion" and "deflagaration"? HE means "high explosive" - this means detonation velocity is over certain velocity. The propellant is not HE, the warhead contains HE encased in a metal case.

You need to be very careful with this stuff. It seems that you lack some basic understanding of propellant and "explosive". You are basicly putting firework in a tube and then PLUG it!!!!

BTW, there is a reason that 37mm smooth bore is not a DD -because the HEDP round depends on the number of revolutions to arm the fuse.
 
I would add that powdered Aluminum unless you know what your doing...is best advoided.
 
greentips said:
LOL. did your one day course tell you the difference between "explosion" and "deflagaration"?
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Yes I know the difference :D. There is a debate as to if certian mixtures of flash are HE or not ;). Very close to the detonation rate limit. And when were we ever talking about the propellant being HE?

-Jamie M.
 
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