Question about travelling with guns.....

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Hey all, i can't seem to find this info on a search.
In regards to a long term ATT, which i have, for Alberta, which allows me to take my restricted firearms to any approved range in Alberta....
Now what if i travel out of town, to stay at a campsite for a couple days, camping, and wish to take my firearms with me, to go shooting at the nearest range?
Example. I live in Edmonton. I am taking myself and the kids camping this weekend near Lac La Biche(about 2hr drive). We would love to take the guns, and shoot them at the Lac La Biche Gun Club.
Rob
 
that is akin to saying i am going to the range, but i am going shopping first, then to the beer store across town, then popping into work for a bit, then visiting gramma in the ol' folks home...

your ATT doesn't cover that.
 
Ok, but what about someone from Calgary, comes to Edmonton for a IPSC match? Do they have to drive straight here, drive home the same day? What if it's a 2day match?
 
Sure it does. If I go to visit relatives and go shooting or for a match in a different city, I can take my pistols. Whether I stay in a campsite, hotel or private residence is irrelevant.

I don't have to arrive directly from home 5 minutes before shooting, and go home right afterwards. The ATT states by a "reasonably direct route." Ie Home to campsite, stay overnight, go shoot, back to campsite overnight then home or shoot again. That's a reasonably direct route IMO, to a range which is covered by your ATT.

If you lived in Lethbridge and went to shoot in High Level, you could not drive it, shoot, and go home without staying overnight. The Alberta ATT says to all approved ranges in AB. If you can't do this, then why is it included on the ATT?

Make sure you meet all storage requirements at the campsite, and you're good to go.
 
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stevo, he is saying he will be camping 2 hours away from home. you can certainly drive that distance without an overnite stay. is he now violating "reasonably direct route"?
 
Not in my estimation. A campsite does become your residence while you occupy it.

Caveat: I am not a lawyer, nor have I ever played one on TV.;)
 
Stevo, I thought the CFC said that stopping along the direct route home was a violation? Didnt they use the example of stopping for groceries on the way home from the range as an example of a violation? Is this wrong?
 
gobrob
Here is some info that might help
I called the cheif firearms officer this fall about
this very issue. I was going out with family to a restaurant
in between my home and the range and I asked if I had to
go back to get my restricted firearms or could I take them
with me and go on from there.
She told me that as long as they were properly locked up and
out of sight that I could go to a friends house for dinner,stop
and get gas or what ever it didn't matter. She said that the
responsibility was on me to ensure proper conveance and that
the old reasonbly direct route was no longer as important.
She even said it was ok to take my handguns to work and leave them
in the trunk of the car if I wanted to target shoot at a range near
me after work.

Bill
 
USP said:
Stevo, I thought the CFC said that stopping along the direct route home was a violation? Didnt they use the example of stopping for groceries on the way home from the range as an example of a violation? Is this wrong?
Click to expand...

What if you need gas? What if you're 6 hours from home and you're hungry?
 
I suppose if you live in Ontario this means your ####ed? Ill see if I can dig it up, I recal reading it somewhere...
 
I had this issue a while back to. The info I got from the CFO was the same as what bill has stated. I also called the CFC to ask, LOL that was funny. To sum up a 10 minute conversation, they had no idea but as long as I had my ATT they were "sure" I would be fine.

Info from the CFC and CFO were like polar opposites. CFO new exactly what was going on. CFC ended the call saying "You know you can only fire that handgun at an approved range right?" :rolleyes:

Thanks CFC I had almost forgot.
 
I am not sure, but I thought it was on the FAQ section of the CFC, but its not there anymore...
 
I just passed the course last night and this issue was discussed at great lenght. The explanation we got from the instructor and the Restricted Firearms Manual was that if it is unloaded, locked in a case, with a trigger lock, ammunition locked in a separate case and either locked in the trunk or if your vehicle doesn't have a trunk stored out of sight it is 100% within the law, all required paperwork in hand of course.

Hope that helped,

Ivo
 
Bring papers, follow transport regs and STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!! Some people are so paranoid its a wonder they ever do anything. AS has been stated, this course of action is "reasonable" and who the #### is gonna know the difference? I've asked this before, how many of us have ever been stopped with firearms in the vehicle and been grilled about all the details??? Probably very very few of us. Stop worrying, its legal and don't advertise or do stupid #### to attract attention.

CF
 
lol interesting...you should talk to some urban Ontario cops...I have met several who dont think its even legal for anybody other than them to own handguns...You would be surprised... see the fact is that you live in an area where local law enforcement probably isnt that anti gun and as long as your goods are in order its not big deal... in my area thats not the case...I am not paranoid..I just dont need the aggravation...and the bs
 
I asked someone in the Alberta CFO's office this question a year or so ago. The problem is that "reasonably direct route" means whatever the judge handling your case if you are charged thinks it means. Since there have been no criminal cases that have addressed this point, there is no case law on the subject for anyone to refer to. I wonder what Dave Tomlinson or Ed Berliw would have to say on this subject?

<sarcasm mode>I just love laws that are written so that nobody can tell in advance if they are breaking them or not.</sarcasm mode>
 
Exactly Impresice

Once again, the lesson seems to be the law is enforced as it is interpreted.

We were told by our instructors that we couldn't bring our pistols to work (assume proper concveyance in all cases here) and then go to the range after work and then home.

I called the CFC and they said as long as my paperwork is in order and they are properly conveyed, not an issue.

The lady on the phone DID say that at NO TIME was an alcohol to be consumed while the guns are anywhere but home in your safe. IN this case that would also be your campsite as it is considered your residence and you could drink as if you were home.

Stopping at the bar after the range however, strict no-no.

It's the same old storey of depending on who you talk to, who stops you, and who prosecutes you :D
 
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