Question about travelling with guns.....

Not to belittle instructors(I am one) but the only requirment for instructors over students is a passing grade of 85% or better on the same tests the students take. Keep that in mind when interpreting what they tell you. That factor coupled with the convoluted wording of our current firearms regs and you have yourself a recipe for complete disaster in regards to a definitive answer on the subject.

CF
 
A friend from the US was involved in a small bang-up in Toronto. The officer involved was female. This fellow brings his guns and shoots matches in Canada for several weeks each summer. The officer noticed the NRA sticker on the outside of his motor home and realizes he may have guns. She motioned for him to come back to her car. She pointed to her NRA sticker. She mentioned that they keep ripping them off and she keeps putting them back on. You just never know!
 
Im lugger
I'm in Alberta.
I still say that as long as you use discretion you can
do a lot more than you think. Case in point when I first
got my restricted licence I was going back to visit in
rural Saskatchewan and I contacted the local gun club
to bring my handguns for some target practice. It was
summer time and the club contact was shocked that
I would want to use the club range when I was staying
on the family acreage. Just goes to show you what goes
on. Use discretion

Bill
 
well thats bad advice...If you shoot a restricted at other than an approved range, your breaking the law... I myself am not in favour of this, and think you should be able to shoot handguns and black rifles on crown land, in the woods whatever... but unless you have an ATC, I think we are pretty much limited to approved ranges by CFO, and I think but might be wrong that we cant even use military ranges anymore...
 
USP
Oh I am sure the law is being broken and I
I am not advocating breaking the law. It's just
that this is what goes on and many locals know
about it but their having fun,nobody's getting
hurt and everyone else looks the other way
sort of speak.

Bill
 
Dude your in alberta.... when we went camping the ranchers told us if we got in trouble all his neighbors would get in trouble cuz they have pistols on their land and they dont even have them registered. LOL

If you wanna avoid all the ###ness that is the CFC, just leave the pistols (restricted) at home and take some non restricteds camping like we did, but next year we are bringing the pistols with us for sure.

USA is pistol friendly..... for the most part, GOD BLESS AMERICA!
 
USP,
it may be illegal but so is not completing your census forms either. I understand your point. However, as rebel pointed out, with a little discretion you can get away with a lot. Bottom line. Follow the rules, if you decide not to, that's your choice. I can only recommend you be very careful if you decide to play dangerously.

In all seriousness. The fact that shooting a handgun outside an approved range is illegal simply blows the mind. The vast majority of the gun regs are built upon semantics. Who cares what gun is being shot outside, so long as its being done in a safe manner. Same goes for the restricted rifles. What really burns me is the ever zelous LE dept. that feels these minor and pointless violations are far more important than pedophiles, drug dealers, abusive parents, drunk drivers, the list goes on. I've already proven to the gov't that I am capable of safely handling firearms. Does it matter that I want to shoot them outside of a range environment? How would I (or anyone else) be harming others by shooting a pistol in the field along with our 22's? The answer is obvious, you wouldn't be. Law abiding folks like shooters are easy targets for simple violations. We're not the type to lie to LEO's, we're not the types to elude the LEO's when caught speeding. We're the type that admits we were wrong when we get caught and willing to accept the results. What do we get for this honesty? Nothing.... More hassles and less freedom.

CF
 
Well, thanks all for the advise, it is good to hear all......
I have decided to make my own decision on the matter, i mean really, i'm a 36 yr old father of 3, they will be with me, and a lot of camping gear, never in my life has my car been searched for any reason......
I agree with the people that say, why shouldn't restricted be allowed to be fired on crown/private land....
But unfortunately our country doesn't always use common sense to impose the laws....
It's like the argument of 12(6), what diff does an inch of barrell make, or a .32 or .25 calibre?????
Just have to take all with a grain of salt, really, all of us register our guns, follow all the rules, and enjoy the thrill of at least being able to fire handguns once in a while!!!
Rob
 
cannonfodder said:
USP,
it may be illegal but so is not completing your census forms either. I understand your point. However, as rebel pointed out, with a little discretion you can get away with a lot. Bottom line. Follow the rules, if you decide not to, that's your choice. I can only recommend you be very careful if you decide to play dangerously.

In all seriousness. The fact that shooting a handgun outside an approved range is illegal simply blows the mind. The vast majority of the gun regs are built upon semantics. Who cares what gun is being shot outside, so long as its being done in a safe manner. Same goes for the restricted rifles. What really burns me is the ever zelous LE dept. that feels these minor and pointless violations are far more important than pedophiles, drug dealers, abusive parents, drunk drivers, the list goes on. I've already proven to the gov't that I am capable of safely handling firearms. Does it matter that I want to shoot them outside of a range environment? How would I (or anyone else) be harming others by shooting a pistol in the field along with our 22's? The answer is obvious, you wouldn't be. Law abiding folks like shooters are easy targets for simple violations. We're not the type to lie to LEO's, we're not the types to elude the LEO's when caught speeding. We're the type that admits we were wrong when we get caught and willing to accept the results. What do we get for this honesty? Nothing.... More hassles and less freedom.

CF
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CF,

Very well put! :)

Jeff/1911.
 
gobrob said:
Well, thanks all for the advise, it is good to hear all......
I have decided to make my own decision on the matter, i mean really, i'm a 36 yr old father of 3, they will be with me, and a lot of camping gear, never in my life has my car been searched for any reason......
I agree with the people that say, why shouldn't restricted be allowed to be fired on crown/private land....
But unfortunately our country doesn't always use common sense to impose the laws....
It's like the argument of 12(6), what diff does an inch of barrell make, or a .32 or .25 calibre?????
Just have to take all with a grain of salt, really, all of us register our guns, follow all the rules, and enjoy the thrill of at least being able to fire handguns once in a while!!!
Rob
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gobrob,

I do it all the time. My family and I enjoy recreational shooting very much, and I always plan a day trip to whatever local range is near where we are weekend camping. I have never had the slightest problem with this process.

Best wishes, Jeff.
 
gobrob
Just be sure you take a long gun of similar caliber with you
so that if somebody drives up and catches you by suprise you
can lose the small gun and no one will be the wiser.

"Just a little target shooting with the rifle sir."

Bill
 
lol dont get me wrong I agree with you guys... but seriously if you get caught with a restricted in the woods by either the RCMP or the LEO or the COs, your ####ed..

why not just pack a 12 guage?

I personally do not support range only usage of restricted firearms..but until the law changes, I would prefer to not to break it.

People do plenty of things and not get caught...but if your a family guy why would you risk some serious charges just to shoot a pistol in the woods?

Law enforcement isnt as stupid as some people think...

well good luck with your trip either way.
 
Please, don't get me wrong, i'm not going shooting in the bush.
I intend to take my pistols with me, as my ATT allows, and go the the nearest range.
I don't agree with the law also, but i won't risk breaking it just for a bit of fun.
It was fun enough today for us to go to the range and fired off around 100-150 rds each.
Rob
 
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Sorry to hijack but...I own a cabin/cottage outside town and usually am out there every weekend. Could this be considered a residence? Could I keep firearms there if they were stored properly?
 
This is interesting. Ultimately, the conflicting information coming from the CFO and CFC, IMO and as others have said, reflects the deliberate vagueness of the "reasonably direct route" part of the ATT. This is not unusual: the definition of "reasonable" is a core point of much law and many trials. It is there to help us and give us some flexibility under the law. Would we prefer "directly to or from"? That would certainly be clear, and make interpretation from a legal standpoint much easier for the government, but it would not be as fair to us.

The use of "reasonable" is by definition not clear, and as has been said by others, if charged it will be up to the court to decide individual circumstances, not someone at the CFO or CFC. Your ATT specifies your home address as the start and end point of the transport to a range. Is your cottage a valid waypoint? If the cottage is a two hour drive from your residence and the range you want to shoot at is another hour from there, is it reasonable and perhaps better to store the firearms securely in the cottage during the weekend than make several trips? What if the range is an hour from the cottage, but in a direction towards your residence, so that you are going further to get to the cottage? Is that reasonably direct?

If you get charged, individual circumstances will decide what's reasonable and what's not, I think. Can you be charged? Probably. Convicted? Depends.
 
What do ATTs in western Canada cover? I thought RCMP was the CFO for the whole area, so do ATTs only cover the Province where you live, or can they be issued for the whole of western Canada?
 
rebel said:
gobrob
She even said it was ok to take my handguns to work and leave them
in the trunk of the car if I wanted to target shoot at a range near
me after work.

Bill
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Is there any way to get a written statement of this or make it more common knowledge or something? Even if it is legal the police may not even know that. I didn't know that.
 
In all seriousness. The fact that shooting a handgun outside an approved range is illegal simply blows the mind. The vast majority of the gun regs are built upon semantics. Who cares what gun is being shot outside, so long as its being done in a safe manner. Same goes for the restricted rifles. What really burns me is the ever zelous LE dept. that feels these minor and pointless violations are far more important than pedophiles, drug dealers, abusive parents, drunk drivers, the list goes on. I've already proven to the gov't that I am capable of safely handling firearms. Does it matter that I want to shoot them outside of a range environment? How would I (or anyone else) be harming others by shooting a pistol in the field along with our 22's? The answer is obvious, you wouldn't be. Law abiding folks like shooters are easy targets for simple violations. We're not the type to lie to LEO's, we're not the types to elude the LEO's when caught speeding. We're the type that admits we were wrong when we get caught and willing to accept the results. What do we get for this honesty? Nothing.... More hassles and less freedom.

CF
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Send that to your local paper, maybe being a little more clear on the finer points of the law that some people wouldn't understand.
 
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