Question: Alberta Crown Land and Cabins??

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For starters, I admit I have never talked to Forestry or a fish cop, my legal opinion is based solely on hearsay. I wil be calling first of the week.

Does anyone know exactly what what you can set up on crown land in Alberta? I thought the law was that you could have a semi-permanent (moveable) cabin as long as it had 4 ft walls and no roof(tarp). Am I correct? Is there more to it?

Here was my plan: I have been hunting out of an outfitters tent last few years. The plan was to make it more comfortable, so this summer we were going to build a floor and 4 ft walls for the tent. I was under the impression this was legal.

Today we headed out to check out our camp, cut some firewood for next year (camp is 25 km is on quad) and get out of the house. We had the osb and 2x4s out in the bush waiting for us. All the lumber was piled with a tarp over it. When we got there is was burnt. WTF???

Many people have cabins in this area, and they are not moveable and all have 6-7 foot walls. Forestry also burnt them down. Forestry had been threatening to burn these cabins for a few years.

So my question again, was Forestry in the right to burn my wood? Am I wrong about what you can do in the bush?
 
BBB said:
No permanent structures on crown land, can't camp anywhere for more than 14 days.
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Correct.

If the forestry finds a permanent structure they will burn it down. I have a couple of friends that worked for the Forest service in Helitack. That was a regular duty of thiers when they werent busy, burning and tearing down permenant camps.

Whatever you build, if it is there for more than 14 days there is a big risk of having it destroyed. IMO that is as it should be, it is crown land. If you want a permanent hunting camp, buy a piece of land and build something.
 
In Ontario a lot of guys build poplar frames and come back with tarps to cover the frames once the moose hunt starts, but again you risk it being ripped down.
 
martinbns said:
I thought it was 21 days?
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it is 21 days in ontario......or so say the regs....and if you want to stay in the same area,for another 21 days,you have to move the camp at least 100 meters:rolleyes:

but i know also......some people can lease a lot of land....
 
It is 14 days in Alberta, and they have been counting & towing vehicles(mostly trailers) left (abandoned) longer.

Good thing too...it was getting ridiculous in places. I found a random campsite a couple years ago that had a garden and gravel paths installed.
 
If you want to build a permenant cabin you could try buying a reg. trapline,or how about the old prospecting laws , could be have loop holes , but wouldn,t it be a shame to have crapy little shacks all over the bush , then comes all the garbage along with the shacks. In the area that I hunt there are semi-establised campsites that are used by hunters ,fishermeen , atv ,and the problem of garbage not taken out has caused F&W to close access to these sites. Everyone , after your done in the bush please take t your garbage with you.
 
crazy_davey said:
Correct.

If the forestry finds a permanent structure they will burn it down. I have a couple of friends that worked for the Forest service in Helitack. That was a regular duty of thiers when they werent busy, burning and tearing down permenant camps.

Whatever you build, if it is there for more than 14 days there is a big risk of having it destroyed. IMO that is as it should be, it is crown land. If you want a permanent hunting camp, buy a piece of land and build something.
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I report every shack, cabin, etc I see in the bush, mainly because I hunt on Crown land up hhere and know the trappers whose lines I am on.

Cat
 
I've got a camp I've been meaning to report in one of my sheep hunting areas - wall tent, corral, and an outhouse with actual toilet seats. I figure it's gotta be outfitters - no recreational sheep guy would haul in toilet seats, and there's no other reason to be up there, 20 km away from the road.

Worst part is that they stuck their camp in on the only decent real estate in the valley - the stream bed itself is too open, so you have to be up on the slope of the slot canyon, and the only place where you're under 10 vertical metres of the water is where these guys put their camp.

Also, they're staking horses out right at the head of the creek.
 
So tell Forestry, and they will go take a look!
The only problkem I see is the camp is temperary, I don't know if tthey will react to the outhouses.
Tents can always be taken down.
corraling Horses a heawaters is just ignorant, it means cantamination downstream!
cat
 
Crown land....

Found the same thing up a drainage in the cadomen area while I was after rams , wall tent hanging in tree and various camp stuff , stove , bunks , garbage ,even hay bales they draged up the mtn side.Not that I am pointing fingers, do outfitters need to follow the rules pertaining to setup of permenant camps us the rest of us, anyone know?
 
catnthehatt said:
So tell Forestry, and they will go take a look!
The only problkem I see is the camp is temperary, I don't know if tthey will react to the outhouses.
Tents can always be taken down.
corraling Horses a heawaters is just ignorant, it means cantamination downstream!
cat
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It's not really all that temporary though - It was fully set up in late july, and was still set up at the end of August. I imagine they took the tent down over the winter, but the outhouse and food locker are plywood and pretty permanent. Also camouflaged.
 
BBB said:
It's not really all that temporary though - It was fully set up in late july, and was still set up at the end of August. I imagine they took the tent down over the winter, but the outhouse and food locker are plywood and pretty permanent. Also camouflaged.
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Next time you're there, take some pics and show them to Forestry.
 
catnthehatt said:
I report every shack, cabin, etc I see in the bush, mainly because I hunt on Crown land up hhere and know the trappers whose lines I am on.

Cat
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I was in a fire some years back on a moose hunt and lost most of my gear. I was some grateful for those shacks you guys are so against.

Trappers pays dues and fees for the rights of the fur only, not the land.

I just don't see why a floor and frame cannot be left up from one year to the next. Its permanent by definition I suppose:rolleyes: but it's designed for temporary use.
 
I just don't see why a floor and frame cannot be left up from one year to the next. Its permanent by definition I suppose but it's designed for temporary use.
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.............cause they will be scattered all over the place if their is any lieniancy. Their is enough people that don't treat the land with respect lets not add to it.
 
I made some phone calls to Forestry and the guy I was talking (fellow named Brent in Grande Prairie) to was super.

Trappers can have a cabin every 6 - 8 km's on their trap line and non-trappers are allowed to set up whatever they want for 14 days and then it has to be taken down and hauled out.

Even a floor for a tent is considered permanent.

Excepation to the rule is a tent frame made of trees lashed together with no nails.

Soooooo, some re-thinking might be in order.

We'll see what happens in the months to come.
 
woodchopper said:
trappers can have 2 cabins on their line

other then that if you don't have a lease forestry can and will burn whatever you set up.
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They can actuallyy have as many cabins as they need .
Two cabins with 8 townships is a bit much IMHO.
But then again, we don't run that line anymore, and we use snowmobiles,not dawgs!:D
There are also rules about how permanent a residance a trapper can have , but when the main cabin is close to civilization, the "rules" are relaxed....
Cat
 
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