Question: Alberta Crown Land and Cabins??

You want a cabin, buy some land. There's lots for sale.

As for the "weakness" of my argument, perhaps the reason that cabins don't proliferate is because they're illegal. That would change, and change quick, if they were permitted.

I hear what you're saying though - you just want them to change the rules so that you can build a vacation home on public land, but not so that everyone who wants to do the same can do so.

That sounds perfectly fair.
 
BBB said:
Of course you would. I would too. In fact, I bet every single person who spends any time in a tent in this province has had the same thought. And that's the problem. Too many people to do it that way anymore.

As for safety? Yeah, you're right, it would be a lot safer if there were cabins all over the place out there. Of course, it'd also be a lot safer if there were hotels, and treated water, and phone booths so you could call in a rescue. That'd be great, it wouldn't even be like camping anymore. Awesome. I think I'll build me a bar up on that sheep mountain, maybe with a hot tub. :rolleyes:
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This conversation just went down hill fast. I thought we were just beating around thought not taking shots at each other. Too bad.:cool:

Hot Tub? BBB the cabins we are talking about are no more than a floor and four uninsulated walls with a tarp for a roof. When we had a fire and lost all of our gear last year (including our tent) we were damnable glad to have someones camp to use.

I live about 10 north of you where you can walk for days in the bush and not come out. Land and space will never be an issue up here. Take a look at the Hunting Regs map and look at 528. See any roads?.

You've been in the concrete jungle too long.;)

Now a bar............................. not a bad idea about 10 miles in
 
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Mumptia said:
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This conversation just went down hill fast. I thought we were just beating around thought not taking shots at each other. Too bad.:cool:

Hot Tub? BBB the cabins we are talking about are no more than a floor and four uninsulated walls with a tarp for a roof. When we had a fire and lost all of our gear last year (including our tent) we were damnable glad to have someones camp to use.

I live about 10 north of you where you can walk for days in the bush and not come out. Land and space will never be an issue up here. Take a look at the Hunting Regs map and look at 528. See any roads?.

You've been in the concrete jungle too long.;

Now a bar............................. not a bad idea about 10 miles in
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Ehhhh, I don't know - I got about 30 odd days of backpack sheep scouting and hunting in last year, most of that solo.

Now what I'm saying about the camp that saved your guy's ass is that it was a fluke, and that we can't make crown land policy based on the possibility that someone might need an emergency place to say at any time - that would be silly.

First off, how often is that necessary? I've spent hundreds of days in the backcountry in the past few years and never needed emergency shelter. When going into the back country, you go under the assumption that you are on your own - I've got no problem with that. If someone thinks cabins are a necessary safety requirement to go into the back country then I would suggest that they stay in a hotel, which is what I was saying with that earlier post.

In order for private cabins to be useful as emergency shelters, there'd need to be hundreds of em - and that's just stupid.

And as to the bit where you said land and space will never be an issue up there? Well, I'd keep that under your hat. Word gets around that anybody who wants to can stick a cabin up in 528 and you might just have a couple thousand of us city-types running around up there with 2X4s and shingles.
 
I think that if you want to build an illegal cabin on crown land, then you should expect that cabin to be used by any and everyone that finds it.

I don't think I have a huge problem with guys that build a small shack in the middle of nowhere, as long as they don't get bent out of shape if I also use/access the surrounding land. It is not their's for exclusive ownership!!

These guys should also not get too upset when the authorities torch the cabins, officers have a responsibility to uphold the law of the land.
 
I kinda side with BBB here. Crown land is for all us, but putting a cabin up no longer makes that site available for everyone. I am in the eastern slopes, and there is very little 'remoteness' left. The idea that there is plenty of bush for everyone who wants to build a cabin is antiquated. People are everywhere on summer weekends.
 
Kev said:
I kinda side with BBB here. Crown land is for all us, but putting a cabin up no longer makes that site available for everyone. I am in the eastern slopes, and there is very little 'remoteness' left. The idea that there is plenty of bush for everyone who wants to build a cabin is antiquated. People are everywhere on summer weekends.
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See we are in different worlds.

Mumptia and I went in to camp in our site to camp, set up firewood for next season, drink beer, lie and generally have a good time in early August. We were the first ones in since spring, not a soul there all summer. Snotty muskeg was completely undisturbed. The north is different guys, not like the south, and the rules should be different too. Look at our population and look at the open land here. We are different, lots of remoteness here.

And, as Mumps said, look at the roads in our WMU, there is no road access, it is all be quad, hauling outfitters tents and all your gear for 4-5 days is damn hard without 3 machines.
 
Man, after 2 or 3 days on the mtn , looking at rocks , a bar on top of the mtn would be great, nothing like that first cold beer after that long hike back to the pickup. My sheep hunting partner is like those horses you rent, tough to get up the mtn , but when it,s time to back to the truck , and if theres beer and zambucka in the cardnial getting chilled, man he can move. No we can,t have shacks put up everywhere , keep Alberta wild and clean. Does anyone know about prospect and the laws surrounding the activity of prospecting. A fellow told me you can leagaly carry a handgun within a 5mile radius of your claimed prospecting area for protection again,st claim jumpers.
 
riden said:
See we are in different worlds.

Mumptia and I went in to camp in our site to camp, set up firewood for next season, drink beer, lie and generally have a good time in early August. We were the first ones in since spring, not a soul there all summer. Snotty muskeg was completely undisturbed. The north is different guys, not like the south, and the rules should be different too. Look at our population and look at the open land here. We are different, lots of remoteness here.

And, as Mumps said, look at the roads in our WMU, there is no road access, it is all be quad, hauling outfitters tents and all your gear for 4-5 days is damn hard without 3 machines.
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Dont start thinking that you are the only person that knows the north country in Alberta. I have hunted all over Alberta many times.

Yes it is allot more remote in the northern part of Alberta, that still doesnt make it right to let every Tom, #### And Harry build a cabin on Crown Land.

Anyway, it will never happen, just big pipe dreams of owning some little shack in the woods on a free piece of public land.

SRD and Forestry workers will keep tearing them down as they find them :dancingbanana:
 
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"The north is different guys, not like the south, and the rules should be different too. Look at our population and look at the open land here. We are different, lots of remoteness here."

Actually, having gone hunting NE of Lacrete a couple of years ago (after being out of the north for some years), I was very surprised how crowded it had gotten. Different perspectives I guess. - dan
 
Another issue is that the cabins usually pop up on or very close to access trails, restricting further access into the forrest. Some do this intentionally to keep areas of crown land "restricted access".
 
xeon said:
Pay for your land, its not going to cost you an arm and a leg.
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No longer an option in Saskatchewan. You cannot purchase or lease land for hunting or recreational purposes in the Northern Provincial Forrest.

Depends what you call an arm and a leg. Land along the provincial forrestry boundry draws a premium because it allows direct access to the forrest. By premium, I mean 3x value kinda premium.

PS - You may be able to purchase an existing lease, if you can find one in an area you would actually want to go, and have access to. The Northern Provincial Forrest has a lot of dense bush, rock, swamp, etc.
 
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Squatter's rights had/have their place. Essentially, if you build a home on my land and I notice it, I can burn that sucker down. Since you had to outlay money and time to build it, that should deter you. If you build a home and live in it over 10 years, and I don't notice you or your cabin, you can go on using it. Squatter's rights don't help people squatting on highly contested or popular areas of land, because the land owner would find out and burn the place down/bust it up.
 
re northern AB

Once again it is illegal to put a structure up on crown land in the Buffalo head hills, LaCrete area to many local boys figured they could build what they wanted, to many complaints from trappers. SRD will be flying the area yearly now and will be burning yearly.

Hell if you were on my trap line I would toast it myself you do not have to like my answer its the law!


put a path in the bush and the yard apes will show up!:mad:
 
I remember a few years back me and a buddy of mine (backpack hunters) managed to stumble across a fantastic little hunting area. Off the beaten track, remote, full of nice animals, etc.... Well we figured this was great as no one else seemed to come into this area because there were no trails and it was difficult to get a quad in (in this area most hunters will not venture more than two or three feet from their quads, don't ask me why).

Anyway we hunt this area for a few years sharing the area with a couple other hunters that stumbled across it as well. Great fella's by the way. Well of course we get grilled by fellow workers etc.. where we hunt and keep getting nice animals. So being nice guys we share and let them know. That season we hike in only to find a trail has been blased in by a small armada of quads. Some of the people we told of course told other people yadda yadda and low and behold they decide to set up a cabin and "claim" the area as their own. We get to the camp and this young early 20's wannabe tough guy decides he's gonna lay into us and proceeds to use every profanity he knows and some I've never heard in an attempt to convince us that this is now their hunting area. Thanks to a little self restriant from myself and my 6'4" 300 lb buddy we calmly explain to the guy he's an idiot. Needless to say they ruined the area blasting away at everything they saw, left garbage everywhere, etc... The camp was burned but the damage was already done and many a good hunters season ruined.

Might be just me but every time I hear someone talking about putting cabins on crown land it reminds me of that story. Just figured I'd share.

Have a good one.

-John
 
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