Question for M14 Doctor re TRW M14
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Great thread guys, really getting at the heart of the issue which is about having fun. Thanks for the input. Now get off the computer Thomas and get my rifle done.
Bear season is just around the corner.
hehehe you will be pleased to know that yours is shipping back within a few days
Sunday is usually my day off.... if there is such a thing, but having a computer at the shop is a handy thing while i'm waiting for and shielding my eyes from the gas asembly tig welding going on a few feet away heheheheI like this guy hehehe
I'll keep it in mind but i'll be honest, not many cross my path these days and i run my adds constantly, bumping them every few weeks whenever i get a customer request for a all usgi rifle build.
I know of one CGN'er who claims to have a very large stash of these rifles in excellent condition..... and i bought one for a personal build a year or so ago....... I think if he sees this thread maybe he will contact you. He reported to me recently that he had sold 3 TRW usgi rifles to an ontario fellow for 4000.00 shipped...... not a bad deal in my opinion. I won't post or P.M. his name as a privacy consideration, bet run an add, he may contact you.
The main difference in my mind is that there is no chance that the government is going to someday decide to make your Hemi Cuda illegal and show up at your door with a crusher. They also have not made it illegal for most people to own the Hemi Cuda so if you want to sell it you can. With the rifle there are a very limited number of people who can buy it, and many people just can't afford to keep an expensive rifle sitting around as a non-shooting collectible.
What matching numbers? Only receivers are numbered on an M14???
Many thanks to all for your replies. The situation is that this all-TRW M14 belongs to my best pal, and he is not attached to it but would rather fund a nice new bolt-action rifle for himself. I, on the other hand, would very much like the rifle and its parts since it will have been his and will represent many good times spent at the range with him. It will also be an excellent .308 hunting rifle. The Norinco and Polytech rifles are out because I cannot bring myself to own a product from a Communist dictatorship/police state, however silly some may find that to be.
Today another friend who has the proper status in Canada has agreed to buy the receiver as a collector's item-he has several original M14 rifles and would like to have a TRW receiver. The rifle can then be legally transferred to him, and I will then buy the USGI parts as required to complete the build on an LRB receiver. The Springfield M1a receivers don't appeal either, whereas the LRB is as close as I can come to an original forged M14 receiver and won't even be restricted. Thus all participants will be happy and I'll have a top-notch M14. I also want to get a new walnut stock, as I'm not partial to plastic or fiberglass.
Many thanks to all of you. This is a long-term project, as I know it will be expensive and I have very limited funds for my hobby. Like Gunny Ermey says, "I don't want no teenage queen, I just want my M14!"
Today another friend who has the proper status in Canada has agreed to buy the receiver as a collector's item-he has several original M14 rifles and would like to have a TRW receiver. The rifle can then be legally transferred to him, and I will then buy the USGI parts as required to complete the build on an LRB receiver. The Springfield M1a receivers don't appeal either, whereas the LRB is as close as I can come to an original forged M14 receiver and won't even be restricted. Thus all participants will be happy and I'll have a top-notch M14. I also want to get a new walnut stock, as I'm not partial to plastic or fiberglass.
Many thanks to all of you. This is a long-term project, as I know it will be expensive and I have very limited funds for my hobby. Like Gunny Ermey says, "I don't want no teenage queen, I just want my M14!"
I have what used to be an HRA installed on a Norinco receiver. Best damn semi-USGI rifle I ever shot. In honestly though, I kept the Norinco barrel and gas nut since it was in much nicer condition than the barrel on my donor M14 was. Some of you may be surprised to know it shoots like a match rifle. Guess I got lucky with the chicom tube on it...?
Do I feel guilty? Not in the least. At least it can be used.
Do I feel guilty? Not in the least. At least it can be used.
This was covered above. I don't mind being corrected by someone or getting challenged. What pisses a guy off is when someone who can't think for himself starts a dogpile based on something already written.
Numbers Match
OK this is the way it is for cars of the era
I was always a Mopar guy so I'll use this example. Chrysler Corp did not put the serial number of the car on the block or trans housing until 1969 if my memory serves me correct. In order to have a numbers matching car prior to that all is required is the casting dates of those components are within a 3 month period prior to the build date of the vehicle.
Similarily these rifles did not have the serial number of the reciever on the other parts. Therefore a TRW rifle with TRW parts is as correct as its going to get. Generally as M14 Dr has pointed out armorers were not concerned about this so they assembled using the parts that worked best or the first ones they tried. Provided there are no mismatched engravings your H&R, TRW, WIN or Sa M14 wearing all parts of that manufacturer is as good as it gets collector wise. It is in effect numbers matching.
OK this is the way it is for cars of the era
I was always a Mopar guy so I'll use this example. Chrysler Corp did not put the serial number of the car on the block or trans housing until 1969 if my memory serves me correct. In order to have a numbers matching car prior to that all is required is the casting dates of those components are within a 3 month period prior to the build date of the vehicle.
Similarily these rifles did not have the serial number of the reciever on the other parts. Therefore a TRW rifle with TRW parts is as correct as its going to get. Generally as M14 Dr has pointed out armorers were not concerned about this so they assembled using the parts that worked best or the first ones they tried. Provided there are no mismatched engravings your H&R, TRW, WIN or Sa M14 wearing all parts of that manufacturer is as good as it gets collector wise. It is in effect numbers matching.
Sometimes someone's just trying to help and doesn't read through 30-odd posts in their entirety.
And I CAN think for myself, thank you very much. I didn't even see the post you are referring to.
In the future, try not being rude - it gets you much farther on forums, in general.
Actually I wouldn't count on that. 8 mpg cars are as popular as sub machine guns with some people. I've taken my share of flack for commuting to work in an F350 diesel. Its the vehicle that works for me and I'm not putting my kids in a smart car.
I'm sure the people at HK agree. yeah I might have been a bit quick tempered there. Sorry.
Well I had an HK 91 but us 12-3 guys can't be trusted with 12-5 stuff so it was the CFC that made that a bich.
I purchased my SL-8 from my local shop, no problems.
For some reason, SL8's seem to be the exception - not sure why. It mostly stems from R. Nichols catering almost exclusively to the LEO/MIL market. It's as though they dont; want to sell stuff to shooters?
Anyhow, things may have changed, my last experience about a year ago was not positive
Anyhow, things may have changed, my last experience about a year ago was not positive
Sorry for hijack of the thread.
I always thought that this is because there are two different companies involved, at least on paper.
Original H und K was bought from the Germans by British Aerospace Royal Ordinance in the 1990s. British Airspace renamed themselves BAE, and in 2002 sold the H und K to German investor group Heckler und Koch Beteiligungs GmbH formed for this purpose. In 2003, Heckler & Koch Jagd-und Sportwaffen GMBH (HKJS - HK Hunting and Sportsweapons) was created specifically for dealing with sports and civilian markets.
So SL8s, SL7 hunting rifles, etc (sporting and hunting weapons) all fall within the domain of HKJS, that has it's own dealers, while HK416/417, MP5s, G36es (military and law enforcement weapons) etc are all in the domain of H und K GmbH with it's own dealers.
So to put it into perspective, I strongly suspect that Wolverine Supplies technically deals with HKJS, while R Nichols deals with HK.
