The 3VP WO's that put me through Gun Fighter told us to load 28 rounds so that our mags would seat easier. If we had any more than that they would verbally rape us in front of everyone and make you feel about as dumb as a human being can. We also would do the bump test to ensure we counted our rounds correctly after firing a certain amount of practices.
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The 3VP WO's that put me through Gun Fighter told us to load 28 rounds so that our mags would seat easier. If we had any more than that they would verbally rape us in front of everyone and make you feel about as dumb as a human being can. We also would do the bump test to ensure we counted our rounds correctly after firing a certain amount of practices.
Bump Test?
The FN mag was always loaded to the max 20 rd or 30 rd if you had a C2. With the plastic C7 mags we were to load them to 28 so the mag lips would not break when loaded into rifle. I always loaded 30 and never damaged any mags.
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I've never heard of it either, but it's just absurd enough to be army protocol. I remember distinctly the day as complete rookies (no one used the term 'newb' way back then haha) when they told us our boots had to be laced 'just so'. The reason given wasn't uniformity or anything so basic or logical, but rather that if you came upon someone in the dead of night you could tell if they were enemy without a word spoken... just crawl up and feel the laces. Uh huh.
Either way, sounds like a potentially dangerous and perhaps downright irresponsible way to deal with such an issue.
LOL! If you feel something grabbing at your foot, what would be your first reaction? Kicking it!
when they told us our boots had to be laced 'just so'. The reason given wasn't uniformity or anything so basic or logical, but rather that if you came upon someone in the dead of night you could tell if they were enemy without a word spoken... just crawl up and feel the laces. Uh huh.
Either way, sounds like a potentially dangerous and perhaps downright irresponsible way to deal with such an issue.
in ww2 the gurkha regiment used to sneak up on their enemies in the dead of night, feel up the baddies shoes, and if their laces were not laced the same way as their compatriots, they would cut off their heads with their famed kukri knives and let the baddies try and figure out what happened. although i agree with you 100% the army regulations, rules, and SOP's. drive me mental
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Yup, it is easier to seat a mag that is downloaded to 28 rounds. Most schools in the states seem to stress it and I think they are right.
We now teach 2 versions of a press check.
1. Load and Ready. Draw back cocking handle enough for ejection port to open and bolt carrier comes back to see brass in chamber.
2. Prior to loading, note position of top round. Load and Ready. Remove mag and note new position of next round thereby ensuring a round chambered.
Which one you use is your preference but you WILL do one or the other. Too many times Browning Pistols and C7/8 fails to pick up a round for mag seating issues. I want the guy coming in the door behind me to KNOW he has a round chambered, not just know he pulled the cocking handle, forward assist, closed port cover.
Rifle mags taught to be loaded to 30 rounds in the manual. We are getting it changed to 28 for ease of seating as well as chambering of first round.
1. Load and Ready. Draw back cocking handle enough for ejection port to open and bolt carrier comes back to see brass in chamber.
2. Prior to loading, note position of top round. Load and Ready. Remove mag and note new position of next round thereby ensuring a round chambered.
Which one you use is your preference but you WILL do one or the other. Too many times Browning Pistols and C7/8 fails to pick up a round for mag seating issues. I want the guy coming in the door behind me to KNOW he has a round chambered, not just know he pulled the cocking handle, forward assist, closed port cover.
Rifle mags taught to be loaded to 30 rounds in the manual. We are getting it changed to 28 for ease of seating as well as chambering of first round.
Opening the action just a little bit is difficult when your adrenaline is up and your fine motor skills get clumsy, also difficult with bulkier gloves. Also a moderately dirty C7 wil sometimes not go forward again reliably. It came to me from our SF guys using the remove the mag method on the MP5 because its difficult to pull it back just enough and not too far.
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It's easier to load it when the top round is on the right side, easier to press down. If your loading with the left hand, its easier with the top round on the left.
Press check, not bump test. My bad. I was trying to remember what it was called while I was on my iPhone and had a 1 1/2 year old wanting me to colour with her.
Yep. That's what we did overseas. 2 rounds will not make a difference but f**king with a stoppage might.
As for the shoe lace thing. I heard the same crap as a young soldier. The "book" still says herring bone for combat boots but that never happens. It might be pushed in some schools but during my time in the Armor school and the Area battle School in Pet it wasn't enforced. In fact when i was in Cornwallis (the holy of holiest amongst some here) it didn't matter. Undone buttons were the big thing to the point that the instructors would undo them just to ##### and see your reaction.. There are more important things to focus on, and myths are not one.
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I guess any semi-auto action needs to be cycled hard for reliability while chambering. I have also had WTF moments on sporting semis trying to close action oh so quietly and then needing a response from the trigger squeeze hours later.
Yea, I first heard about that regarding the Mp-5 as well...some article written by an ex-SAS guy who worked for HK, one of the Pagoda Squad guys from Princess's Gate rescue assault.
I was in for 10 years, and never saw anyone actually remove a mag to check the posn of the next round, to know if it was chambered. But I had heard of that...somewhere.
BUT...things have changed since I left! We now have many Canadian soldiers with lots of recent experience in firefights, and I have heard from friends who are still in/connected, that many procedures have changed, as a result of lessons learned in Afghanistan. I'll bet that extra procedures are now common that were unknown just a few years ago, owing to the frequency of shootouts.
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At night you can "press check" by feel if you feel what side the top round is on before you load and ready. Then you pull the mag and make sure the top round has switched sides. Some push for removing the mag always so there is not one drill for day and one for night.
There are a number of ways to skin this cat and most of them work.
There are a number of ways to skin this cat and most of them work.
