Question for Troy PAR Owners

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Hello, new member here!

I've been eyeballing the Troy PAR and was wondering if anyone who has owned one for some time has any long term ownership feedback? I've watched every review on Youtube and read every review and thread I could find on CGN, Reddit, Calguns, etc about it, but most of the feedback and reviews go back several years.

I've been seeing that the 2nd generation has corrected some of the issues people had with the 1st. Any feedback from anyone who owns a 1st or 2nd gen would be greatly appreciated Do you still enjoy the rifle? Any particular issues? I'm looking at the .223 model specifically, but the 7.62 conversion that someone did here looks very intriguing as well!

On the radar as well would be the MRA Renegade, but I would prefer the pump action. Certainly seems like it would be more "fun" for lack of a better word. If anyone has owned or handled a Renegade and a PAR, I'd love to know your thoughts comparing the two, especially in fit and finish.

Thanks!
 
They aren't great quality fit and finish, in fact they leave a little to be desired. That being said, they were meant to be affordable, not sure what happened to that... They cost a kidney and a half these days.

I had a 308 PAR, the first generation before the weird pump handles they have now, it worked fine, and was fairly accurate. The thing that made me get rid of it was I could shot it not much faster than a bolt action, it is rather heavy for what it is, and its a PITA to shoot from the bench when you have to lift up the forend to pump it. Its also very hard to mount a bipod onto. For the price they go for these days, I'd rather get a ruger gunsite scout (which I have).

Hope that helps.
 
I own a first gen troy par, ive converted all the pump parts to gen 2, plus i interchange 223 and 300 blk barrels, i live way out in the woods and carry it all the time in 300 blk trim, just in case i need a bigger(200 grain) bullet.....its the one with the really nice folding stock, would never sell it, with that being said, i also own two MRA renegades, a 16.5 with scope and ace stock and a 12.5 in od green just with iron sights, they are amazing guns, you cant go wrong with either
 
I had a gen 2 par, and it started developing issues where the bolt would become disconnected from the action arms causing issues with bolt lock, light primer strikes and failure to fire, and required two cyclings of the bolt to get the round to fire. This only took 500 rounds to show up with factory ammo. There was a thread from another member on it. Didnt find it reliable so didn't keep it.

As far as straight pull bolt action ARs, I find the concept ### and the equivalent of groveling to our "betters" that stole the peoples AR's and left us with these subpar alternatives, so won't buy one out of principle. And I'm not even an AR fan. If you want a bolt action, buy a proper bolt action rifle, not the UK variant bastard of an AR.

But this is just my humble opinion worth only what you paid for it. Buy what makes you happy. (And what you can find for a reasonable price!)
 
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I have one I picked up compulsively one day. I don't like the size of the foregrip/pump. Anyone know if there are options out there? I need something narrower. If I cant do something about it I will be getting rid of it.
 
wd113 said:
I have one I picked up compulsively one day. I don't like the size of the foregrip/pump. Anyone know if there are options out there? I need something narrower. If I cant do something about it I will be getting rid of it.
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Remove the fore grip...install a length of Picatinny rail on the bottom of the pump mechanism....+/- on the sides.
Fit a (shortish) vertical grip....that’s about as good as it’s going to get.....
I may have some of the rails, and brackets, to do so.
PM me if interested.
 
hunterhenderson said:
I own a first gen troy par, ive converted all the pump parts to gen 2, plus i interchange 223 and 300 blk barrels, i live way out in the woods and carry it all the time in 300 blk trim, just in case i need a bigger(200 grain) bullet.....its the one with the really nice folding stock, would never sell it, with that being said, i also own two MRA renegades, a 16.5 with scope and ace stock and a 12.5 in od green just with iron sights, they are amazing guns, you cant go wrong with either
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I too run a Gen 2 PAR with a short (9") .300 Blk Barrel for woodland encounters when I'm ATVing. I am curious as to where you obtained your Gen 2 Pump Parts, as I have a problem with my PAR where the Cocking Strut is slipping out of Lock with the Pump Action Collar, leaving me with a rifle out of battery on a partially-fed live round. I need a new Cocking Strut and that little Locking Piece that sits on 2 springs and interacts with the cut-out in the Cocking Strut. The edges have worn such that the Strut slips out of Lock and rides over the Locking Piece. Time for new parts, but where to order? Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated, as I otherwise love the platform. I just need to sort out this problem and I will be back in the game!


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I have two, one in 308 and the other in 300BLKOUT, both are GEN 1 and I have a kit for 'upgrading' due to earlier production problems experienced. Not used it yet, no need.

I really like the platform (for what it is) but it is very sensitive to weak pumping, like a semi auto pistol with a limp wrist! It needs a firm, smooth consistent actioning movement. With that you get a good ownership experience.

Build quality I think is fair, not Daniel Arms, but certainly not a BCA. Accuracy is surprisingly good, again not DA but way better than a BCA.

I have not owned a Renegade, but I would recommend a Troy PAR with reservation, a nice unit to own and use.

Candocad.
 
driller212 said:
They aren't great quality fit and finish, in fact they leave a little to be desired. That being said, they were meant to be affordable, not sure what happened to that... They cost a kidney and a half these days.

I had a 308 PAR, the first generation before the weird pump handles they have now, it worked fine, and was fairly accurate. The thing that made me get rid of it was I could shot it not much faster than a bolt action, it is rather heavy for what it is, and its a PITA to shoot from the bench when you have to lift up the forend to pump it. Its also very hard to mount a bipod onto. For the price they go for these days, I'd rather get a ruger gunsite scout (which I have).

Hope that helps.
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This is very similar to my experience. I put a 16" 308 barrel from faxon on the one I had and in the end it was just too heavy for what it was. I enjoyed the ruger scout rifle I had more, and I'll buy another eventually.

Ben
 
I have one in 5.56, it's taken a couple years and dozens of experiments with different bullet weights to get it shooting straight.

Mine keyholes with 55s. Is not good with 62s and is only starting to tighten up at the 75gr mark.

I'm waiting on a trigger now because the stock trigger is milspec garbage.

Given the fussiness and the general unimpressiveness I cannot recommend it unless you want a project to bang your head against.
 
Candocad said:
I have two, one in 308 and the other in 300BLKOUT, both are GEN 1 and I have a kit for 'upgrading' due to earlier production problems experienced. Not used it yet, no need.

I really like the platform (for what it is) but it is very sensitive to weak pumping, like a semi auto pistol with a limp wrist! It needs a firm, smooth consistent actioning movement. With that you get a good ownership experience.

Build quality I think is fair, not Daniel Arms, but certainly not a BCA. Accuracy is surprisingly good, again not DA but way better than a BCA.

I have not owned a Renegade, but I would recommend a Troy PAR with reservation, a nice unit to own and use.

Candocad.
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+++ sensitive to weak pumping. Have Gen 2 in .223 and used it in the 2 tac rifle matches that constituted the post-Covid/post-OIC season. Fairly easy transition from an AR, everything is where you expect it to be, except remembering to pump. Potentially very fast, hands don't have to change position, especially on a run-n-gun stage where the movement-to-shooting ratio is higher (mind you most people were slower than usual as they transitioned from their familiar AR to a 10/22, SKS, X95 or whatever). Feels like you can keep up with the semi-autos.

I generally had no idea how to deal with shooting off a barricade and generally messed that up. I did find it was very easy to short stroke the pump and clearing the subsequent jam was a major pain. I have never short stroked a pump shotgun before either.

If I was mainly shooting off a bench, barricade or prone not sure that the PAR would be the best option but overall am happy with it.
 
I picked one up in 308 for a bush rifle. I agree it needs to be cycled with authority. I had no issues with it and it is far more accurate than I am. I feel that Troy could have quite easily made this a spring assist unit.
 
foxbat said:
Remove the fore grip...install a length of Picatinny rail on the bottom of the pump mechanism....+/- on the sides.
Fit a (shortish) vertical grip....that’s about as good as it’s going to get.....
I may have some of the rails, and brackets, to do so.
PM me if interested.
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Never thought of doing that. I should have the materials around here somewhere. Thanks

Edit - now that I've realized the panels just slide off rails underneath my problem has been solved. I removed just the lower one and now my hand fits so much better. I did have a pistol type forward grip that I slid on to see. It would work if I removed material from the top of it, as it binds against the bottom of the rifle. I may try this route if I find a grip I don't mind butchering.
 
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andrewl said:
+++ sensitive to weak pumping. Have Gen 2 in .223 and used it in the 2 tac rifle matches that constituted the post-Covid/post-OIC season. Fairly easy transition from an AR, everything is where you expect it to be, except remembering to pump. Potentially very fast, hands don't have to change position, especially on a run-n-gun stage where the movement-to-shooting ratio is higher (mind you most people were slower than usual as they transitioned from their familiar AR to a 10/22, SKS, X95 or whatever). Feels like you can keep up with the semi-autos.

I generally had no idea how to deal with shooting off a barricade and generally messed that up. I did find it was very easy to short stroke the pump and clearing the subsequent jam was a major pain. I have never short stroked a pump shotgun before either.

If I was mainly shooting off a bench, barricade or prone not sure that the PAR would be the best option but overall am happy with it.
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Like virtually all rifles I have purchased I took it to the range to see how it functioned, and quickly found out that it is a pain to operate with a sledge / rest. Standing / kneeling fine, prone is another challenge too.

Overall I would recommend one to own, but it comes with limitations.

Candocad.
 
I have a first gen folder in 300blk. And a second gen in .338 Federal. I got both new for less then $800 CAD each.

I’ve only shot my 300BLK and I love it. - less then 200 rounds. I have the upgrade kit from Rampart should the pump system give me trouble - it hasn’t tho.

My 300Blk is a tac driver.

.338 Federal ammo is super expensive so I’m saving it like a fine bottle of wine.

I wasn’t even looking to buy one of these rifles and it was way before the OIC - I couldn’t pass on the price.
 
JeffMan said:
I have a first gen folder in 300blk. And a second gen in .338 Federal. I got both new for less then $800 CAD each.

I’ve only shot my 300BLK and I love it. - less then 200 rounds. I have the upgrade kit from Rampart should the pump system give me trouble - it hasn’t tho.

My 300Blk is a tac driver.

.338 Federal ammo is super expensive so I’m saving it like a fine bottle of wine.

I wasn’t even looking to buy one of these rifles and it was way before the OIC - I couldn’t pass on the price.
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Yea, its insane that they are 1700-1800 now, its hard to fathom.
 
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