Question on Kel-tec Sub 2000

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Hello all,

i was doing some research on my own and had few questions regarding kel-tec sub 2000. Im not able to reach @irunguns over phone.

Anyways. I see kel-tec sub 2000 glock version for 799 till yesterday at CSC and its sold out now. Sale price seems to be getting over across the stores. New in stock are about 1000 or so.

All these are 18.5" barrel one.

In irunguns usa website i see same model but those are 16.25 inch barrel, so will be classified as restricted ?

on other had i saw M &P / multi mag version in canada for 799. It can be converted to glock version with extra 100 or so. is this route better to save money ?
 
i dont see option to delete this thread but i was able to call irungun and what i see in their usa website will be considered restricted.
 
To answer your other question, the "Multimag" version runs M&P by default, comes with an M&P mag and can be converted (via a mag release plastic widget) to other popular pistol mags. But not Glock!
For Glock mags get the "Glock" version which has a Magpul G17 pmag included. It's usually $50 less than the Multimag?
It is "possible" to convert one to the other through grip parts via Vault - approx $50 iirc? Taking one apart is an experience, YT is your friend.
All Canadian NR's will be the 18.5" barrel, which unfortunately sticks out a bit when folded and insults the awesome factor.

S2K is a special kind of PCC. Love it or hate it. Pick one up and you'll know immediately which way you feel about it.
 
alpining said:
I think $750-800 is going to be the new price for these, it's just that some stores are trying to sell them at old prices.

Prophet River has Glock mag options for $799. (literally the best shop to deal with)

Glock 17 version
https://store.prophetriver.com/kel-...-barrel-10-round-glock-17-mag-non-restricted/

Glock 19 version
https://store.prophetriver.com/kel-...atte-black-finish-18-5-barrel-non-restricted/
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Thanks. TBH i didnt even know this website and it never came up in the searches i was doing. Only well known stores popped up. But good to know.

S2K i liked it when i held it at the range store. But i dont know how it performs. i liked the concept of folding and glock mag and 9mm. portable and light weight but i heard it needs lot of upgrades and not easy to clean internal components like ruger pcc. Good info.
 
Prophet River probably has the best reputation among retailers on CGN - It's certainly in the top three.

I think the Sub2000 is polarizing (just like KelTec in general). There are lots of haters, and lots of fanboys.

The Sub2000 doesn't need a thing in order to be excellent for what it is: The lightest, shortest, thinnest, and quickest-handling non-restricted semiauto pistol caliber carbine on the Canadian market. At the new prices, it's also the cheapest American made option. And KelTec has a lifetime warranty for the original owner.

I have never used the folding feature on mine, except to make cleaning it easier. But for some people it's a selling feature. Removing the bolt is super easy, which is all you really need to clean (and the barrel of course).

The trigger is not great, but the newest production models are really not bad. I wouldn't expect the Sub2000 to stand up to the same high round counts as the much heavier competition, but lots of people say that it does just fine. It has a relatively sharp recoil impulse compared to the much heavier competition, just due to the physics. The biggest functional issue for most people is that the factory iron sights are uncomfortable to use (but at least is has them). That's best solved with a red dot, but then if you want to keep the folding feature then you need an offset or flip away mount (or a QD mount that has good return to zero).

And it's a KelTec, so it might have QC issues. That's where the lifetime warranty comes in - If you're not okay with that compromise, then KelTec is probably not for you.
 
alpining said:
Prophet River probably has the best reputation among retailers on CGN - It's certainly in the top three.

I think the Sub2000 is polarizing (just like KelTec in general). There are lots of haters, and lots of fanboys.

The Sub2000 doesn't need a thing in order to be excellent for what it is: The lightest, shortest, thinnest, and quickest-handling non-restricted semiauto pistol caliber carbine on the Canadian market. At the new prices, it's also the cheapest American made option. And KelTec has a lifetime warranty for the original owner.

I have never used the folding feature on mine, except to make cleaning it easier. But for some people it's a selling feature. Removing the bolt is super easy, which is all you really need to clean (and the barrel of course).

The trigger is not great, but the newest production models are really not bad. I wouldn't expect the Sub2000 to stand up to the same high round counts as the much heavier competition, but lots of people say that it does just fine. It has a relatively sharp recoil impulse compared to the much heavier competition, just due to the physics. The biggest functional issue for most people is that the factory iron sights are uncomfortable to use (but at least is has them). That's best solved with a red dot, but then if you want to keep the folding feature then you need an offset or flip away mount (or a QD mount that has good return to zero).

And it's a KelTec, so it might have QC issues. That's where the lifetime warranty comes in - If you're not okay with that compromise, then KelTec is probably not for you.
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Thanks for the detailed information. really appreciate the inputs.
 
alpining said:
The trigger is not great, but the newest production models are really not bad.
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What's your opinion on the trigger upgrade kit (full MCARBO internals at $350-$400)? It's that spongy takeup that bugs me, consistent at least, but too much travel. I reckon I will get around to it eventually, maybe after a few thousand rounds more and think of it as a deep service?
 
I have enjoyed mine for what it is. Nice to throw in the backpack and blast away at some stumps and cans when our bush cruzin. The sights were to low for me as I didn’t like beating my cheek bone to bits so I put the Mcarbo notch sight on, it is a fair bit taller. Haven’t got a chance to try it yet but hopefully it’ll make it a little more fun to shoot. If you search this forum you can also find some 3D printed taller sights but those might require a new front sight post. Where the Mcarbo stuff you can use the stock front sight. I didn’t want to go the red dot sight route as it’s selling feature for me was how compact it folds up,. I feel the trigger is smoother in the s2k then my fx9…. Fx9 does have a crisper break though…
I’d go the glock mags route as pmags work and they at 28$ at my lgs and seem the easiest to find/most popular.
I’ll be keeping the stock trigger. It’s decent and will wear in. Plus for what the gun is I think its perfect.
 
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alpining said:
Prophet River probably has the best reputation among retailers on CGN - It's certainly in the top three.

I think the Sub2000 is polarizing (just like KelTec in general). There are lots of haters, and lots of fanboys.

The Sub2000 doesn't need a thing in order to be excellent for what it is: The lightest, shortest, thinnest, and quickest-handling non-restricted semiauto pistol caliber carbine on the Canadian market. At the new prices, it's also the cheapest American made option. And KelTec has a lifetime warranty for the original owner.

I have never used the folding feature on mine, except to make cleaning it easier. But for some people it's a selling feature. Removing the bolt is super easy, which is all you really need to clean (and the barrel of course).

The trigger is not great, but the newest production models are really not bad. I wouldn't expect the Sub2000 to stand up to the same high round counts as the much heavier competition, but lots of people say that it does just fine. It has a relatively sharp recoil impulse compared to the much heavier competition, just due to the physics. The biggest functional issue for most people is that the factory iron sights are uncomfortable to use (but at least is has them). That's best solved with a red dot, but then if you want to keep the folding feature then you need an offset or flip away mount (or a QD mount that has good return to zero).

And it's a KelTec, so it might have QC issues. That's where the lifetime warranty comes in - If you're not okay with that compromise, then KelTec is probably not for you.
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i was consider the sub2k but ended up with picking ruger for reliability and running it stock
 
GunNoob123 said:
i was consider the sub2k but ended up with picking ruger for reliability and running it stock
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For sure. Mine is Ruger as well. But sub2000 appeals to me for being light weight, foldable and easy to carry in back pack if required. And really quick to deploy.

My Ruger has back pack stock. I kept in back pack from rifle case but still little heavy and not quick to deploy in my opinion.
 
joemanco said:
What's your opinion on the trigger upgrade kit (full MCARBO internals at $350-$400)? It's that spongy takeup that bugs me, consistent at least, but too much travel. I reckon I will get around to it eventually, maybe after a few thousand rounds more and think of it as a deep service?
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Covefrog said:
... I feel the trigger is smoother in the s2k then my fx9…. Fx9 does have a crisper break though…
...I’ll be keeping the stock trigger. It’s decent and will wear in. Plus for what the gun is I think its perfect.
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joemanco, I agree with Covefrog here - At least for the latest production Sub2000, the early ones could be different. The takeup on the OEM trigger is long but smooth, the break is okay, and the reset is pretty short and pretty smooth. I think the reset being pretty good is far more important than the long takeup (for plinking and action shooting, anyways). If you think of it as a subgun trigger (more like a pistol than a rifle), it makes a lot of sense and works just fine.

Adding the MCARBO spring kit just makes the pull weight lighter, it doesn't improve anything else. Depending on your preference, this may or may not be a good thing. All else being equal, lighter fire control springs can make the takeup feel worse, usually makes the break less crisp, and almost always make the reset less defined. Oh, and they usually reduce firing pin energy, which can sometimes compromise reliability. It's a pretty long list of cons, but if you really prefer the lighter pull it can be worth it.

The rest of the MCARBO trigger upgrade kit has effects that are harder to quantify. The stainless hammer bushing is theoretically a clear upgrade, but you don't hear much about the OEM plastic ones failing (same with the stainless feed ramp). If you find the stock trigger flexy, then the aluminum trigger will probably feel better. On mine, the OEM trigger was not at all flexy, but again, this is the latest production run and I've no doubt that they could have improved things on that front. The trigger guard feels different (better), but again the OEM part seems to hold up just fine. Extended mag release is personal preference (I hate the idea). Pin "upgrades" are debatable, someone with even a minor amount of mechanical knowledge will have no problem with the OEM parts.

The OEM trigger bar can be polished to smooth everything about the trigger. All of the contact surfaces for the moving parts in the fire control system can be polished to reduce drag. Or just shoot it lots, and you'll get much of the same benefit.
 
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alpining thank you so much, that is golden advice / feedback - all of it. Such a good point about the reset / followup being more important for this purpose. I will adapt rather than spend!
 
iloveruger said:
For sure. Mine is Ruger as well. But sub2000 appeals to me for being light weight, foldable and easy to carry in back pack if required. And really quick to deploy.

My Ruger has back pack stock. I kept in back pack from rifle case but still little heavy and not quick to deploy in my opinion.
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The folding feature is cool on the sub2k. I wonder if it's shorter than the Ruger PC backpacker when folded

The Ruger pc backpacker is still too long to fit in a laptop bag / regular size backpack
 
GunNoob123 said:
The folding feature is cool on the sub2k. I wonder if it's shorter than the Ruger PC backpacker when folded

The Ruger pc backpacker is still too long to fit in a laptop bag / regular size backpack
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So today i checked @gagnon. i found these 2 things.

1. S2k g17 is good for my hand size. G19 might be little small in grip
2. When folded and compared against PCC backpacker, it is shorter by a 1-2 inches and width is shorter by 1-2 inches as well

not much. but s2k weights less and looks compact. But need to spend more money for mount, if need red dot / optics
 
GunNoob123 said:
The main issue would be the length

There is a chance it might fit a regular backpack (laptop size)
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i agree with this. last night i moved my ruger pcc from rifle case to my backpack. It didnt fit in my old laptop backpack and only in my trekking / camping backpack. so yes s2k would have fitted for sure.
 
a quick update for anyone thinking about sights that are a bit taller and keep the sleek look. the mcarbo notch sight moved sight path up nicely. can still have a good cheek weld and its more comfortable/fun to shoot. the notch sigh was also nice for quick acquisition of multiple clays spread out over the range. id definitely recommend this upgrade makes the gun way more fun! we also have the rubber buffer tube cover and the rubber washer from mcarbo, recommend both those also. probably leave it with just those three upgrades and go have some fun.
 
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