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i shoot 5 rounds

load the mag again

and shoot 5 rounds

i can see the difference in the two group ( they are not at the same place on the target minor difference but still)

i presume is all in how i hold the gun

what should i do?

all from my glock 17 RTF 2 i noticed that while shooting this pistol
 
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Well lets see... One thing I learned, I shoot a Defensive Pistol League In Grande Prairie AB, is to pay more attention to your front sight when aiming at the target and not even worry about the rear sight, I know it kinda sounds a little coocoo :confused: lol but the guys I shoot with have more experience than me shooting Defensive style (they have taken certain courses that I have not) I shoot a Glock 22C and when we do our draw and fire warm up excersises at 5 yards I can shoot a toonie size group, but I also use the trigger reset trick that all the Glocks have as well. Well I hope that helps please let me know :)
 
frward said:
i shoot 5 rounds

load the mag again

and shoot 5 rounds

i can see the difference in the two group ( they are not at the same place on the target minor difference but still)

i presume is all in how i hold the gun

what should i do?

all from my glock 17 RTF 2 i noticed that while shooting this pistol
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Assuming a two-hand grip: grip the gun as usual, have someone draw a line across your thumbs. Now do it 10 times and see if the lines still match. It's a good dry-fire exercise, IMHO.
 
A consistent grip and amount of finger on the trigger is very important to achieving consistency and accuracy. Here's two of the best online and free resources I found when looking around for my own research.

An excellent description of the two handed thumbs forward semi auto pistol grip. This write up ties in well with the next link.
http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/combatg_100306/

Todd Jarret in a trailer for a video on pistol gripping and shooting. Lots of good hints.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

Revolver handling. Five great vids from the master, Jerry Miculek.
http://www.myoutdoortv.com/pdk/web/smith.html?feedPID=00zG15zm84msK0GbWemanhJ0KNWQYqM4l
 
That Todd Jarrett video is great. I always seem to get a little more from it each time I watch.
 
I found that after shooting pistol three times a week for 50 years that the consistancy from day to day and mag to mag improved.

You have obviously shot enough to shoot groups good enough that you can see a shift in MPI. Keep it up. Eventually the holes will always appear where you want - every time.
 
Place the pistol in the hand so that the barrel is in line with the forearm. Trigger control with the Glock is an issue for some folks, and I'm one of them! For best results, the trigger finger must be placed differently on the trigger for a long pull than for a short, but with the Glock you must transition from one to the other between shots without moving your finger. Thus on the long pull you strain your hand if you use the fingertip placement, and you wobble the muzzle if you use the first knuckle placement with the short pull. Keep shooting! Practice dry firing! Concentrate on the front sight, keep your grip consistent each time your grasp the gun. If you can help it, don't allow the gun to sit askew in the hand, keep your grip high on the stock. You might not be able to if the gun is too large for you. If the gun muzzle flips up when you fire, adjust your grip so that the recoil comes straight back. Consentrate on a surprise break. Follow through. Don't over think it. Don't try to make your groups too small, if you rounds do not fall within 4" of your aiming point you are firing too fast, if they fall well with 4" of your aiming point you are firing too slow. It will come together.
 
It may seem elementary to some but make sure your point of aim on that second string is the same as it was on the first string. I've seen experienced shooters adjust their aim when they see the point of impact. I've even caught myself peeking between shots. Don't.......aim for the same point every time and concentrate on the basics; grip, stance, trigger press, sight alignment, breathing. Try to make each of those perfect for each shot. Don't worry about where they are going untill you are finished your string. With experience you'll feel when you've made a mistake and even know where to look for the mistake.
As you get them more and more consistent you'll see the results on the paper.
 
get a video camera, or a buddy with a fast camera, to tape you while you shoot. Forget and ignore the camera when shooting, just shoot like you normally would.
Then review the video / photos at home...
 
another thing I see a lot of handgun shooters do, they move their feet around when reloading the clip. you should stand exactly the same for both five shot strings, this means do not move your feet while reloading for the second string.
 
Be natural and loose. I find even from 20 yards my first shot is always the best. The more a try to be dead-on, the worse I get, haha. It usually works like this, walk up-aim-bang ( bullseye ), one or two 1 inch left, one or two 1 inch right, one down, one up. I find I tend to correct myself too much but I can at least keep 10 rounds within a few inches at 20 yards, better than nothing I guess.
 
fbimagery said:
get a video camera, or a buddy with a fast camera, to tape you while you shoot. Forget and ignore the camera when shooting, just shoot like you normally would.
Then review the video / photos at home...
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The other tips are great but I really like this one. I came across it accidentally while filming a friend who I took shooting for the first time. If you open the video in quick time you can play it frame by frame slowly. I was able to see my friend blink/close his eyes before pulling the trigger indicating a flinch!
 
Could it be a case of physical fatigue? If your second group is always worse than the first?

I know my uncle, who is a little older, starts off shooting well but starts to open up towards the end of a magazine because his eyes start to have trouble focusing on the front sight intensely for that long.

Or maybe your arms? Perhaps you have your body in such a ridgid or uncomfortable state that is starts to wander as time goes on?

Just a thought. I'm no expert.
 
Two things that I have found to really help in my concentration/accuracy at the range:
1) Have a friend load your mags for you. Have at least one dummy round in the mag where you don't know where it is. It wont take long to find out if you're flinching.
2) When you dry fire at home, balance a dime on the front sight. Practice squeezing the trigger so that when your gun "snaps" the dime stays on the front sight. Not easy to do but an excellent exercise nonetheless.

This is my first time on this sight and it looks like there are a lot of people here who know their stuff and are willing to help. Use whatever tips you find work for you and good luck.
 
GSoD said:
I know my uncle, who is a little older, starts off shooting well but starts to open up towards the end of a magazine because his eyes start to have trouble focusing on the front sight intensely for that long.
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I can relate to this....:redface:

frward said:
i can see the difference in the two group ( they are not at the same place on the target minor difference but still)
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From your post it sounds like you are consistent enough. Just how 'minor' are the differences? I can shoot ragged one hole groups when I'm doing my part and the odd time I've put two rounds consequtively through the same hole but, for me, shooting rounds through the same hole all the time is something that doesn't happen with too much regularity....any chance of posting a pic of your target?
 
misfire said:
I can relate to this....:redface:



From your post it sounds like you are consistent enough. Just how 'minor' are the differences? I can shoot ragged one hole groups when I'm doing my part and the odd time I've put two rounds consequtively through the same hole but, for me, shooting rounds through the same hole all the time is something that doesn't happen with too much regularity....any chance of posting a pic of your target?
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the differcence are minor at 10 yrds my groups are within 2 inches diameter and the other group is a inch beside

so i can see two groups on the paper

i will post a target of it
 
Ganderite said:
I found that after shooting pistol three times a week for 50 years that the consistancy from day to day and mag to mag improved....
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That's a lot of comfort to for those of us who started late. In 50 years I'll be 107 and I'm not sure if I'll be on the range much :p

I was out on the range yesterday with my new (to me) SA 1911 Hi-Cap and my targets were pretty depressing, even at 7 yards, despite trying to keep the grip consistent and only using the tip of the finger. I went through 100 rounds with no discomfort at all- other than seeing where the bullets landed. (200 gr. Bullet Barn RNFP over 5.4 gr. of 231.) The next 100 rounds will be better, I tell myself.

One thing I find difficult with the 1911 (even a single-stack) is to keep the gun in a straight line with my elbow, as TJ tells us in his video. I don't have partic. small hands but I find that I can't comfortably reach the trigger unless the gun is sightly turned. A shorter trigger might help, if I can find one that Brownell's can export. The Hi-cap also has a pretty wide body but I'm determined to learn to shoot it as I'm sure it can be done. The grips on it are thinner than anything I've seen before so I can't improve on those. My S&W 625 seems to fit me like a glove but I feel I struggle a bit with the 1911. Not exactly comparing apples to apples, of course.

Those TJ videos are simply amazing. The pistol is more like an extended body part rather than an external item.

:) Stuart
 
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