Question on the Browning BOSS

As said, there is a non ported BOSS available. My FIL has an A-bolt in .300 win mag that came originally with the ported version. As advertised, it tuned in 3 different factory loads to under 1". My FIL loved it until the first time he fired it while hunting in thick timber with lots of overhead cover!:eek: He damn near dropped the gun! :D

His first move was to order a non-ported BOSS. All the bennies, none of the blast! Hasn't taken it off since! If you don't reload, it is definitely worth getting one.

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tsavo said:
These work extremely well for accuracy but, all other users have reported, they create what could well be the highest decibel level achievable in a rifle. I own a now discontinued Mod 70, 22-250 (sub .25")that is the most obscenly loud braked rifle I have ever seen or owned. It is even worse than a braked 24" .338-.378 Wby which had a short stay in my safe. Avoid the boss like the plague.
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I had a Winchester 70 in 25-06 with the BOSS and it was deafening.......it was accurate and I did have it dialed in just right, but man, when you start hunting with those little ear plugs in, trade er off and get something else....I could not imagine how loud a bigger calibre would be......the "SNAP" of the 25-06 with the BOSS would literally set my ears ringing .......
 
I have a Browning Stainless Stalker in 338 Win Mag with BOSS and it is very loud and it does work as advertised. It even has less recoil than my Remington 30-06.:eek:
 
I own a Browning Stainless Stalker with BOSS in 7mm RM. It’s the most accurate Rifle I've ever shot - about .75MOA. In 30 years of shooting I've never shot that well with any other rifle! Yes its loud, but if you don't wear hearing protection you'll go def no matter what you shoot. Yes its a little longer, but I don't have a problem lugging it around after Bambie in the Rain Forests of BC, so don't sweat it.
 
BolerPuller said:
I own a Browning Stainless Stalker with BOSS in 7mm RM. It’s the most accurate Rifle I've ever shot - about .75MOA. In 30 years of shooting I've never shot that well with any other rifle! Yes its loud, but if you don't wear hearing protection you'll go def no matter what you shoot. Yes its a little longer, but I don't have a problem lugging it around after Bambie in the Rain Forests of BC, so don't sweat it.
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Huh? Can't hear you:rolleyes:

There are MUCH easier and more sensible ways to acheive a 0.75 MOA rifle than the BOSS.

The decible level of the BOSS is not even in the same time zone as an unbreaked rifle.

Studies have shown that you WILL suffer hearing damage shooting a braked rifle even with plugs AND muffs.

Shooting one without is simply stupid - end of story!

My buddy used to hunt with the BOSS on a 7RM, and finally I told him to get the CR or quit hunting with me... not worth the risk of major hearing damage.

I've yet to see a factory rifle that would not do 0.75MOA without a BOSS...

You would be much further ahead taking your Hearing Aid money and buying a custom barrel if you need the extra accuracy, but hey, they're your ears!

280_ACKLEY
 
280_ACKLEY said:
There are MUCH easier and more sensible ways to acheive a 0.75 MOA rifle than the BOSS.

The decible level of the BOSS is not even in the same time zone as an unbreaked rifle.

I've yet to see a factory rifle that would not do 0.75MOA without a BOSS..
280_ACKLEY
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It must be stated that the Boss has definite advantages for people who do not handload. I don't agree with this view
There are MUCH easier and more sensible ways to acheive a 0.75 MOA rifle than the BOSS.
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. If someone buys a Boss equipped rifle off the shelf there are no additional expenses, you can immediately start fine tuning your factory rifle and Ammo. It is my experience that with the Boss "ANY" factory ammo can be fine tuned, I can't see an easier way of doing this than a Boss equipped rifle. Unless one want's to spend all kinds of money but then that's not what we are discussing here.

The decible level of the BOSS is not even in the same time zone as an unbreaked rifle.
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C'mon 280 what braked rifle can be safely fired without ear protection. The Boss is no worse than some of the others. And if the shooter prefers he can put on the Boss CR for about $30 and completely eliminate any additional noise but still maintain the tuning effect of the Boss system, that's versatility.

I've yet to see a factory rifle that would not do 0.75MOA without a BOSS...
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Maybe a rifle that you handload for but rifles that shoot factory ammo do not easily achieve .75" groups. You would have to try an awful pile of factory ammo to find one your rifle likes enough to consistently break .75" all the time.

No flame intended 280 just friendly observations:)

my .02
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Big Bull...well said.........Bottom line...the boss works..but is loud...If you dont like the noise....get a CR...These days the factory ammo available is very accurrate..to the point that handloading for the casual loader, isnt a must do...and the the Boss allows you to further tune your rifle and ammo:) ...a good deal all around
 
bigbull wrote:

It must be stated that the Boss has definite advantages for people who do not handload. I don't agree with this view
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I have yet to own a factory rifle that I could not get to shoot 0.75" or less with very little effort... and in fact I don't consider 0.75" all that spectacular.

If someone buys a Boss equipped rifle off the shelf there are no additional expenses, you can immediately start fine tuning your factory rifle and Ammo. It is my experience that with the Boss "ANY" factory ammo can be fine tuned, I can't see an easier way of doing this than a Boss equipped rifle.
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Maybe a rifle that you handload for but rifles that shoot factory ammo do not easily achieve .75" groups. You would have to try an awful pile of factory ammo to find one your rifle likes enough to consistently break .75" all the time.
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Yup, and I bet you can't go out and tune your Boss with less than a bunch of factory ammo either!

In my experience, I've never been able to get the BOSS to work with less than at least a few boxes of ammo to "tune" to a load... most took considerably more than that.

Also, any factory ammo worth shooting (not talking El Cheapo Federal Classic or Rem Coreklokt...) is pretty dam expensiveI find it a PITA, and can tailor a handload MUCH faster and MUCH cheaper!

So, I disagree with you... there is an expense other than just buying a rifle with the BOSS


C'mon 280 what braked rifle can be safely fired without ear protection. The Boss is no worse than some of the others. And if the shooter prefers he can put on the Boss CR for about $30 and completely eliminate any additional noise but still maintain the tuning effect of the Boss system, that's versatility.
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280 Ackley Wrote:

The decible level of the BOSS is not even in the same time zone as an unbreaked rifle.
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The BOSS is louder than any other breaked rifle I have shot (Magna Port and Braked Wby rifles)

Re-read what I wrote though, I said "unbreaked"!

Unless one want's to spend all kinds of money but then that's not what we are discussing here.
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The original post by powdergun read:

Just read an ad from Browning that claimed three bullets through the same hole with their BOSS system. I'd like to hear peoples oppinions on the Browning rifles as they compare to the Rems and Savages, I was thinking of buying one of the Eclipse M100 rifles. Are they worth the extra $$$
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So bigbull, we are talking about spending all kinds of money!

To go out and buy an over priced Browning A-Bolt Eclipse w/BOSS for nearly $1400 while adding length, weight, unsighliness, and the horrific possiblility of SERIOUS hearing damage is what we are talking about.

For much less money, you could go out and buy a Rem 700 SPS ($640) with a Lee Anniversary kit ($140) and enough powder, bullets, brass.... to keep you shooting for years to come!

So to answer the original question:

NO, the BOSS is a waste of money... it sucks!!!!!!

Do yourself a favor powdergun, and shop around for a rifle without the BOSS, buy reloading gear with the extra $$$$.

bigbull, just my $.02 worth... but you should take the same advice, it appears you do not handload either!

Just a friendly observation!

280_ACKLEY
 
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That's the beauty of these boards everybody can have an opinion. 280 be careful don't go insulting people if you can't take someone else's opinion, there are alot of people here who have both Boss's and handload. If there is an error somewhere point it out don't go flying of the handle.
Just a friendly observation!
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280_ACKLEY

Have you owned a boss? I don't intend to be rude, but you sound like you're giving opinion without personal experience. Anyone can sit in their armchair and write an opinion - true or not. We can all pretend to be the 1 in 100000 guys who can hit a quarter at 1000 yards. The fact is, I shoot much better with a boss than without, and you might to if you tried it.
 
I have owned a boss equipped rifle and it certainly was not my most accurate rifle.In fact all of the non-boss equipped rifles that I currently own(with the exception of my old model 94) do average better than 3/4MOA with their favorite loads.Even with the boss,some loads simply shot better than others,even after the boss was adjusted to each load.After having owned the boss equipped rifle,I am certainly not prepared to put up with the disadvantages of the boss,especially if it would do no better than 3/4MOA.
 
stubblejumper said:
I have owned a boss equipped rifle and it certainly was not my most accurate rifle.In fact all of the non-boss equipped rifles that I currently own(with the exception of my old model 94) do average better than 3/4MOA with their favorite loads.Even with the boss,some loads simply shot better than others,even after the boss was adjusted to each load.After having owned the boss equipped rifle,I am certainly not prepared to put up with the disadvantages of the boss,especially if it would do no better than 3/4MOA.
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I agree with you, if you haven't had a good experience why bother. Here is the key word
with their favorite loads
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. There are alot of people who don't handload and probably never will. The one thing the Boss can consistently do is change the group size by adjusting its position, this tuning effect is great in dialing in a load. This effect is similar to what a handloader does in varying his load to the barrels harmonics, non handloaders don't have this luxury.
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bigbull, certainly no insult intended. You bascially insinuated that I was way off topic with my posts.... I simply reminded you what the topic was.

You kept mentioning the "non handloader", so I suggested if $$$ were a problem, forgo the BOSS and buy a lesser $$ rifle and the gear.

No flames intended, and certianly no insults meant... sorry if I bruised your feelers.

280_ACKLEY
 
BolerPuller said:
280_ACKLEY

Have you owned a boss? I don't intend to be rude, but you sound like you're giving opinion without personal experience. Anyone can sit in their armchair and write an opinion - true or not. We can all pretend to be the 1 in 100000 guys who can hit a quarter at 1000 yards. The fact is, I shoot much better with a boss than without, and you might to if you tried it.
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I have put ~ 400 rounds through 2 rifles with the BOSS, both factory loads and my own handloads and have "tuned" them. Don't own either of them, but have enough trigger time behind them to have a valid opinion.

Here is an example of what can be accomplished without a BOSS in very short order.

This was the third group I tried in this rifle, and while not the best group it has shot, was about average for that load (5 group aggregate (3 shot groups) of 0.37" with this load). It shoots well enough for a 6lbs (scoped) rifle.

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I have yet to see a rifle with the BOSS come even close to this kind of accuracy.

Now we can go on all night with me defending my "Arm Chair Rifleman" status, but the point of the topic was "Is the BOSS worth it?" My answer is still NO!

In fact, I would even go as far as to say that the Browning A-Bolt is not worth the money... a bunch of overpriced pot metal JAP-CRAP!

But you'll have to excuse me, I have to go reload some more 223.... I burned 100+ in a little less than 1 hr today on my little 450yd gong, and the weather man is calling for calm conditions again tommorow... plans to burp out at least another 200+.

Wonder if I can wheel my Arm Chair up to my shooting bench;)

280_ACKLEY
 
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I do both... hand load for myself and shoot factory ammo for others. I have shot and owned BOSS and used it with excellent results. I also have put Muzzle breaks on rifles for various reasons. The arguments against both are only opinions... you might not like them and you certainly can get excellent results from guns without them... but they do work.
Remington should come out with something like it for their POS rifles... at least then they might shoot a group from the factory.:p
 
Maxx said:
Hey 280, what size is ypour 450 yard gong?
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8"x8"... use it mainly for practicing field positions and off of my back pack (sheep hunting simulation), and occasionally offhand... but typically I walk up to 350yds or so for offhand shooting... 450yds on that small target feels like a mile some days:D

280_ACKLEY
 
280_ACKLEY said:
8"x8"... use it mainly for practicing field positions and off of my back pack (sheep hunting simulation), and occasionally offhand... but typically I walk up to 350yds or so for offhand shooting... 450yds on that small target feels like a mile some days:D

280_ACKLEY
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Thanks Man, I am looking to do the same thing. I bet 350 offhand seems far out some days,

did you just use a metal plate? For my inside tunnel range, I am using 2" snowplow rubber, and 1/2 plate, stops the 300 weatherby dead.
 
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