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WesternWannaBe

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Hey guys my friend asked me this question and I didn't know the answer. So I figured I'd ask the experts.
Ok here's the question he asked me.
Say a guy wants to buy a rifle and he doesn't have his PAL yet. But his friend does, so he gives his friend the money and his friend buys the rifle for him and stores it at his place until he has his PAL. Also how much does it cost to transfer ownership?
Would this be ok? Say he's buying the rifle privately.

Thanks for your time guys.
 
I think that by circumventing the licensing and registration requirements you are subjecting the population to a very great risk, the government takes the safety of the population very serious, and if it saves just 1 life, it will have been worth it. You sir, should be taken to task for even contemplating or planning to avoid licensing and registration of a weapon that you may have obtained fraudulently.
 
Erm. Maybe you misinterpreted what I wrote. This is a question my friend asked me.
Ok maybe this will make it simpler, we will call the guy that has his PAL Frank and his friend who doesn't have his PAL Jim.

I'm just asking is it ok for Frank to store a rifle that is registered to him and he has his PAL. And then give it to his friend Jim and transfer the ownership to Jim's name after he has his PAL. Reason being he doesn't want someone else to buy the rifle.
Is that circumventing the law? I don't think so. It's just some one holding on to the rifle legally until you can legally.
And I'm not saying that I would do this it was a question that I was asked and I wasn't sure of the anwser.
 
I'd like to think you are more innocent in this, but I'm with Ben.. Don't screw with the rules. If you are new to guns, whatever your great deal/fad is, you will probably be happier spending the extra time doing some homework on the purchase and the wait is a good way to do that.

It's summer time so hunting isn't the reason for the rush, which I would understand..

and there is no cost to transferring ownership. You just call in and change it over.

We all had to wait a long ass time at some point in our shooting hobby/lifestyle and it won't kill you.

Sorry..
Ryan
 
WesternWannaBe said:
Erm. Maybe you misinterpreted what I wrote. This is a question my friend asked me.
Ok maybe this will make it simpler, we will call the guy that has his PAL Frank and his friend who doesn't have his PAL Jim.

I'm just asking is it ok for Frank to store a rifle that is registered to him and he has his PAL. And then give it to his friend Jim and transfer the ownership to Jim's name after he has his PAL. Reason being he doesn't want someone else to buy the rifle.
Is that circumventing the law? I don't think so. It's just some one holding on to the rifle legally until you can legally.
And I'm not saying that I would do this it was a question that I was asked and I wasn't sure of the anwser.
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I think your question is more to do with who actually "pays for" and "owns" the rifle which might get your friends into trouble. Remember - nothing you post on the internet is private. That is a slippery slope...

Someone can buy a rifle and then transfer it to someone else no problem. Transferring a firearm is a simple case of calling the CFC and transferring. No charge for that service.
 
Silver_wlf said:
Someone can buy a rifle and then transfer it to someone else no problem. Transferring a firearm is a simple case of calling the CFC and transferring. No charge for that service.
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That's pretty much what I'm sayen. Again this is just a curious question that I didn't know the anwser to. This is all hypothedical. I guess now that I think about it it's a pretty stupid question.
Sorry for wasten your time guys.
 
if the gun is on sale or a limited production model, then it's perfectly OK for Frank to buy it. it's owned by F and stored by F in F's residence. if F and J go to a range together, J can "borrow" it to shoot it and then hand it back to F at the end of the range day. nothing wrong here. if J doesn't ever get his PAL and never pays for it, then F is on the hook for owning a gun he doesn't even want. F can then take J's gun and shoot J (with "his own" gun) and steal J's wallet and credit cards and go shopping to recover the cost of the gun. at this point, J is in the clear (albeit dead) and F is F'd.
 
same reason some people say "my wife's daughter"

what? she's not your daughter too? not even your step-daughter? is the wife a whore and the daddy is some dude you've never met yet you continue to live with the whore? really......? hmm.... note to self...


meh, it's my Friday today and i'm having a Diet Coke with Lime. cp:
 
If the whole process is being done properly then there's really no rule or law in place that says you can't do this. It's a simple matter of care and responsibility on behalf of the actual PAL possessing buyer.

If my friend found a good deal on something but was waiting for paperwork to go through on the government end there's no reason I wouldn't buy the gun, register it to myself, store it at my home, and then when the paperwork is finished processing transfer the gun to the one who actually wants it.

There is no LEGAL fault to that.

It's no real difference between that and the Glock I bought for a good price then decided I didn't want it. So at that point a friend bought it off me and it was transferred. The actual ownership was all done legally as well as the storage. I don't see an issue in that.
 
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