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Ive been mainly into pistols but for the new year im thinking about getting myself a rifle. Im looking for something thats lighter weight if you were going to go hiking with it. I want a gun i can shoot with at the range but also take hunting if need be. I dont want to break the bank but i dont want junk either. Something with real wood and nice scope. Ive heard bad things about Remingtons but i dont really no. Im looking at a Reminton 700 Mountain Rifle, which looks kinda neat. I really like the 30.06 cartridge but im open to others. Whats your thoughts.
 
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Is the primary purpose of this gun target shooting with occasional hunting, or hunting with occasional target shooting? Light weight guns are easier to carry, but light contour barrels heat up much quicker, making them less suitable for target shooting. If target shooting is the priority, I would also go with a 308win over a 30-06.
 
Main purpose is hunting with the ocassional trip to the range. I'd go with a .223 for a lot of range shooting. I don't know a whole lot about rifles and what's good and what one should stay away from.
 
A savage 24 (used) would give lots of options for hiking. Someone is selling. Valmet 412S over/under in 243/12 gauge in the EE right now. Also, if you don't have a .22, a cz 452 is a great option. I'd try to find a 16" barrel version.
 
I don't think there is any reason to avoid the Remington 700's. Buy from a store where you can actually handle and inspect the one you will take home. Make sure it is what you want. Look at some other brands and see how they compare in terms of fit, feel and appearance. For a hiking type rifle, I would prefer a sythetic stock and stainless for ease of preservation in wet conditions and durability.
 
Options are limitless out there. I see you are in to pistols so you are well aware of the " you get what you pay for " concept. Use the same criteria for rifles as you have with your pistols. A price point for a "nice" rifle and scope set up would be around $1000.


May I suggest a Ruger with a laminate stock. As
for what round if you do not reload stick with the main stream 308, 30 06, 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag. and so on.

A decent scope would be a 3200 bushnel for the money.

If you have the coin how about a Cooper with a Schmidt and Bender :D
 
Simple answer

Find something in 270Win, 308Win, or 3006 you really like and buy it. All three will do the same thing generally speaking, and cost approximately the same to shoot (usually as cheap as it gets for "big game" rifles). A slight advantage to the 308 in that you can usually find bulk surplus ammo that isnt available for 3006 and 270 if that is a factor to you.

Long, complicated answer, see this thread

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431263
 
For primarily hunting,I personally would be looking at a stainless/synthetic bolt action by Remington, Tikka or Howa/Vanguard. You can find models that are reasonably priced, and that are quite accurate and dependable. Do yourself a favor, and don't let anyone talk you into a Remington 770 or 710. Chambering wise, I would likely be looking at the 7mm-08 or 308win in a lighter weight rifle, but a 30-06 is also a good choice.
 
blasted_saber said:
Simple answer

Find something in 270Win, 308Win, or 3006 you really like and buy it. All three will do the same thing generally speaking, and cost approximately the same to shoot (usually as cheap as it gets for "big game" rifles). A slight advantage to the 308 in that you can usually find bulk surplus ammo that isnt available for 3006 and 270 if that is a factor to you.

Long, complicated answer, see this thread

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=431263
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Thanks, that was a good read.
 
GunGuy34 said:
I want something that can take a dear or moose so I guess a 308 would be better then the 30 06?
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Ok. You need to figure out what you really want or need.

.308 and 3006 are the same bullet but in a case that hold different amounts of power. The 3006 being a bit more powerful and can handle heavier bullets if you want.. so maybe a little more versitile? So, if you want more power, go for the 3006. They will both nock down deer and moose without problem if you put the bullet where it needs to go, but some might argue that the 06's power advantages is required for moose. I don't necissarily agree, I love the .308 and wouldn't have any problems dropping either animals... having said that I also own 300wsm which I'm trying to like (three dear in two years.. 1 shot drops).

However, if you want a compact bolt rifle, the .308 reciever and bolt throw will be shorter, therefore will reduce the overal weight and length(slightly) of your rifle. If a compact bolt is what your looking for, many companies offer 20" barrel bolts in .308 with overal lengths of around 40 - 41". Ruger has a M77 Gunsite Scout in .308 with an 18" barrel and overal length of about 38" (depending on the length of pull you select), which I will be getting shortly. If you wan't something shorter, chop you barrel down from 20" to 18", it's no big deal. You won't loose accuracy just a bit of velocity and it will be nice and compact. A bit louder and a bit more muzzle jump but not uncontrollable.

If you don't have much rifle experience, I would go with the .308 because the recoil is less and newbies can develop a flinch with heavier recoiling caliblers (which is hard to cure), the bolt trow is shorter, so perhaps a little faster to cycle for that follow up shot (?) and will be available in a more compact package, thus making it easier to hike with.

Not sure about the quality of the Remingtons, but I've got a Browning Micro A-bolt in 300wsm and I like the fit and finish and the trigger is (now) target ready.
It has a 22" barrel coming in with an overal length of a little over 41", which isn't bad... but I'd like it shorter.

When buying your scope, don't get sucked into the looks thing, meaning a large magification scope isn't always ideal. First it really adds to the weight of the package, and secondly if you hunt in areas where the average shot won't be much past 150 yards, the high magnification is a waste. I've got a 3-10X40 and it stays on mostly on 3X. I live in an area where most deer and moose are taken within 150 yards... often around 100 or less.

Just my two cents...
 
GunGuy34 said:
I want something that can take a dear or moose so I guess a 308 would be better then the 30 06?
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I would say it's a wash. With the same bullets, .30-06 has a miniscule advantage in trajectory and the .308 fits into a shorter, slightly lighter action. You can't go wrong with either; any animal you shoot won't know the difference.

Are you going to be reloading, or will you be using factory ammo? If the latter, stick to the "plain vanilla" cartridges (eg. .308, .30-06, .270) that are available everywhere and usually less expensive.

One other rifle option that might be worth considering that hasn't been mentioned yet is the Winchester Model 70 Featherweight.
 
Go to your gun store and try out for fit, and feel.That is probably more important than cal.308 s and larger will do fine.Lever action, pump,and semi auto are also good to try out, as well as bolt action.Once you find the gun you like,your set.
 
Sounds like your mind is made up (the Mountain Rifle), but I'd actually go with the Remington Model 7. Light, compact, and extremely quick handling. Maybe a bit short on the LOP, but put a recoil pad on to correct this if it is an issue.
 
I am a huge .30-06 guy.... but if you want something that better translates your range experience to your hunting experience I would suggest a .308.... the short action would be better for you and the trajectory is real nice (not that .30-06 is bad).... it would be someting you surely aren't acquainted with.... so take your time and enjoy... I am like you, wood is noce for a hunting rifle... OH... and I love my remington's.....
 
Despite my recent weakness for Sako 85s, I was always a Remington 700fan. A bit disappointed with some of Remington's QC issues over the past couple years, but they still turn out a good gun for the money.

I recommend one of two rifles as a starting point for new hunters. The Remington Mountain LSS and the Winchester 70 Extreme Conditions, either of which in 270 Winchester or 30-06.

Avoid the Remington 710s and 770s, and stay away from Mossberg rifles.

The Mtn LSS is a great general purpose rifle. My vote would be for the 270, but a 30-06 is also a great choice.
 
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