Thank you for the tip. I live in southern SK so I wont be stopping in anytime soon. As I said Iam not overly worried about the issue, I simply watch everytime I release the bolt to make sure its properly seated. When the new charging handle becomes available I will simply replace mine.
Quick MV review: the good, the bad, and the Ugly! **update post 99**
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Thank you for the tip. I live in southern SK so I wont be stopping in anytime soon. As I said Iam not overly worried about the issue, I simply watch everytime I release the bolt to make sure its properly seated. When the new charging handle becomes available I will simply replace mine.
No real world experience - here and in most of Canada it doesn't meet the caliber minimum for big game (I know it does there). Did you sell your MH? Or are you just keen to give the MV a try? Haven't been to Haida Gwai in a long time, from what I remember the deer are roughly the size of a German shepherd, correct?
I would suppose any hunting ammo would work although I would lean towards a 60gr partition, 62gr fusion, a federal blue box soft point, or even a TTSX. Me personally, I wouldn't use varmint ammo as I would be worried about bullet failure leading to inadequate penetration if the shoulder was struck directly for an example. I think the federal MSR line uses the fusion bullets and is supposed to be pretty reasonably priced. As I said, any of the 'premium' bullets designed for weight retention AND expansion over varmint ammo. FMJ's are of course NOT a good idea, so if you can't find any of the premium stuff I'd go for good old federal blue box or Remington core-lokt in a heavier weight bullet ~60 gr. As I recall, ATRS does not recommend lead tipped bullets as there can be feeding issues so testfire before you go of course.
Of course, if you still have your MH throw a red dot on your 308 or 6.5CM and you're golden! Hopefully a Canadian with real world experience can chip in.
Check out http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hunting/ammo-test-223-rem-vs-3030-whitetails
I wound up trading MH is was to heavy and to bulky for my liking
To be honest I Probably wouldn't have gotten a MV and went with a Quality bolt action but it was too late and ATRS was already making my rifle
I am looking forward to hunting with the smaller and lighter MV shoot are going to be under 75 yards on small deer
I loved my MH Only traded because the rifle was to heavy to carry on foot
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I hear you, the weight was the only thing that kept me from buying a MH (and just barely). Most semi-autos firing 308 sized cases are right around this weight though. Couldn't help myself once the MV came out though (plus I was pissed the Liberals got elected - seemed like a good idea to buy while I could and support a Canadian company). Have realized over time that I'm more a hunter than a shooter, and IMO its hard to beat a lightweight bolt action for a hunting rifle. The ability to walk with an empty chamber on rough terrain or while walking to and from a hunting area and quietly load a round is big for me. I always drop the bolt in a semi-auto to make the chambering of each round as similar as possible and minimize POI shift between first and second rounds. Don't like to make that loud thunk in the woods though...
Really like my MV, and am hoping to give it a try on deer this fall if the Grendel works out. Otherwise, its a great coyote and target shooting gun. Honestly prefer the ergonomics of a shooting an AR style rifle with adjustable LOP for layering up and down, more upright pistol grip feels more natural for my wrist, and love bringing the crosshairs back on target and firing a second time - just keep focusing on the target... Can't say I shoot it any better than my 243 though. I'm going to have to take it for a serious gopher hunting trip this summer too - it hasn't been fired nearly enough, have to check my log but only between 200-250 rounds so far... practically firearms abuse.
Good luck on your deer hunt, don't forget to post pics.
With deer season right around the corner, I pick up 9 boxes of assorted ammo to brake in my MV and figer out what this girl likes to eat
Canada post tracking is saying delivery on the 10th going to give me about 20days to Break in and sight my rifle
Add sum no shoot days for weath it's not that much time befor the action starts
Canada post tracking is saying delivery on the 10th going to give me about 20days to Break in and sight my rifle
Add sum no shoot days for weath it's not that much time befor the action starts
I can't get into my photobucket so hopfully Shaun will post photo's in a new thread with a warning of lots of dead Stuff ,may go shoot sum raccoon and beavers befor the deer season opens just to warm-up a bit
We have a lot of deer,beaver ,raccoon , rat problems on Haida Gwaii it alway good to do my part and lend a helping hand sumone has to do it lol
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Its a proprietary barrel extension....
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To remove and replace a barrel in a MV is not much different than in an AR, the problem will be that our upper does not fit any of the AR upper vises so damage to the upper while torquing the barrel nut on is high. A barrel extension wrench passed through the upper and held firmly in a vise is the answer.
Keep in mind though our barrel extension is NOT a standard AR15 extension.
Would you mind terribly showing us the difference with a picture so those of us on the other end of the country can better grasp the differences? Would a Geissele Reaction Rod work? The Barrel Extension Torque Tool on your website?
You do use a normal AR bolt though, correct? So that down the road that can easily be replaced? As I recall, in the Modern Hunter discussion way back it was stated that the carrier was modified but that the bolt was standard so that replacements for consumables weren't going to cause problems.
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The reaction rod will work, we made our own for assembling the uppers but I would think any reaction rod for an AR15 would work perfectly. The difference between our barrel extension and a standard AR barrel extension is the locating pin position.
The bolt heads in but the MV and MH ARE standard AR, the carriers in both are modified so as to work with the side charge handle.
Do you guys sell those reaction rods? Like the idea of it, but the geissele stuff is super expenxive...
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I don't see why not. We have never been asked for 1. I will have to figure out what it costs to make them. Let me ponder for a day or 2.
Awesome. Thanks for the clear reply! I appreciate you folks did a lot to jump through hoops to make the NR status happen for this rifle, but damn if anything AR-like doesn't get me jonseying like a kid with Lego. Gotta make changes and tweaks here and there!!
Quick MV update after 2 more range outing: Remington UMC group have open up a bit but Winchester 55 gr. White box have tighten significantly. The gun runs F'ing flawless!!! Never had stoppage!
I brought my friend to the range and set up a 8" gong at 100 yards he has next to no firearms knowledge and here are is observations: he much preferred shooting the SKS at the gong then the MV. The MV was boring cause you just could not miss! I took it for a complement and said next time we'll just put the gong further!
I brought my friend to the range and set up a 8" gong at 100 yards he has next to no firearms knowledge and here are is observations: he much preferred shooting the SKS at the gong then the MV. The MV was boring cause you just could not miss! I took it for a complement and said next time we'll just put the gong further!
XCR's vs MV, factory ammo experience
MV update. Previously most accurate ammo was Nosler VM 55g, didn't like hornady superperformance match 75 g. 75 grain is tightening up and is now reasonable, but surprisingly Winchester Varmint X 40g shot very well, almost as well as the Nosler. The SP does have a noticeably different recoil impulse and muzzle blast - I probably won't buy it again. Tried some Fiochi 55g FMJ as well, did shoot better than the American Eagle 55g I've got. If you can find some, I'd recommend it for practice ammo (I've only tried the two variety's of FMJ). 325 rounds downrange so far, no stoppages/failures/etc. No issues with any of my magazines including 2 ATRS 10 rd (please make more!), ASC 5 and 10 round, E-lander 5/30, Magpul 5/30. The magpul didn't drop free at first but does now. Very impressed with the Proof barrel and how quickly it cools down although I only shoot 5 shot aimed groups - no mag dumps etc. Did do a 1 10 round mag slow aimed fire - just for function testing
Before anyone says it, yes, I will do some formal accuracy testing when I get the chance and post some pics.
Very happy with it - will likely order a 6.5 Grendel upper for it soon. Currently my favourite rifle, bar none. Don't have extensive black rifle experience, but owned two different XCR-L's as well as an XCR-M in the past. Major difference is the trigger and fit/finish with the advantage to the MV. My $0.02 is I'd get an XCR if I was looking for a rifle for general use, occasional mag dumps, hunting and generally harder use. While my MV has been 100% reliable and I have a great deal of faith in it, the piston drive of the XCR and adjustable gas block is an advantage for reliability in touch conditions in my mind. Since I don't plan on packing my rifles with mud and seeing if they still work, this is a minor feature for me. The ergonomics on the XCR are also very good (IMO the biggest advantage of modern sporting rifles) and the easy availability of caliber conversion kits and uppers is a plus. I would say the recoil impulse of the MV is softer (none of my rifles wear brakes so that is not a factor), but turning down the gas on the XCR after break in helps (all of the three I've had were able to have the gas turned down very quickly without reliability issues during the break in period).
My recommendation - if you want an off the shelf NR semi-auto available in a variety of colours good for hunting, plinking and general use get an XCR. If you want it your way - colour, hand guard, buttstock, barrel contour, +/- CFW barrel etc and accuracy is your highest priority I'd go with the MV. I believe both are 100% reliable in any but the most extreme of conditions, but the difference between the triggers is too big for me to get past. For myself, I'd go with the Factory MV as well over the XCR. Again, just based on the trigger I am very confident its accuracy will be better than the XCR (which I found to be a 1.5-2MOA rifle with factory ammo and 2-3MOA with plinking ammo). YMMV.
I'm planning to get a Grendel for it and take it deer and coyote hunting this fall.
MV update. Previously most accurate ammo was Nosler VM 55g, didn't like hornady superperformance match 75 g. 75 grain is tightening up and is now reasonable, but surprisingly Winchester Varmint X 40g shot very well, almost as well as the Nosler. The SP does have a noticeably different recoil impulse and muzzle blast - I probably won't buy it again. Tried some Fiochi 55g FMJ as well, did shoot better than the American Eagle 55g I've got. If you can find some, I'd recommend it for practice ammo (I've only tried the two variety's of FMJ). 325 rounds downrange so far, no stoppages/failures/etc. No issues with any of my magazines including 2 ATRS 10 rd (please make more!), ASC 5 and 10 round, E-lander 5/30, Magpul 5/30. The magpul didn't drop free at first but does now. Very impressed with the Proof barrel and how quickly it cools down although I only shoot 5 shot aimed groups - no mag dumps etc. Did do a 1 10 round mag slow aimed fire - just for function testing
Before anyone says it, yes, I will do some formal accuracy testing when I get the chance and post some pics.Very happy with it - will likely order a 6.5 Grendel upper for it soon. Currently my favourite rifle, bar none. Don't have extensive black rifle experience, but owned two different XCR-L's as well as an XCR-M in the past. Major difference is the trigger and fit/finish with the advantage to the MV. My $0.02 is I'd get an XCR if I was looking for a rifle for general use, occasional mag dumps, hunting and generally harder use. While my MV has been 100% reliable and I have a great deal of faith in it, the piston drive of the XCR and adjustable gas block is an advantage for reliability in touch conditions in my mind. Since I don't plan on packing my rifles with mud and seeing if they still work, this is a minor feature for me. The ergonomics on the XCR are also very good (IMO the biggest advantage of modern sporting rifles) and the easy availability of caliber conversion kits and uppers is a plus. I would say the recoil impulse of the MV is softer (none of my rifles wear brakes so that is not a factor), but turning down the gas on the XCR after break in helps (all of the three I've had were able to have the gas turned down very quickly without reliability issues during the break in period).
My recommendation - if you want an off the shelf NR semi-auto available in a variety of colours good for hunting, plinking and general use get an XCR. If you want it your way - colour, hand guard, buttstock, barrel contour, +/- CFW barrel etc and accuracy is your highest priority I'd go with the MV. I believe both are 100% reliable in any but the most extreme of conditions, but the difference between the triggers is too big for me to get past. For myself, I'd go with the Factory MV as well over the XCR. Again, just based on the trigger I am very confident its accuracy will be better than the XCR (which I found to be a 1.5-2MOA rifle with factory ammo and 2-3MOA with plinking ammo). YMMV.
I'm planning to get a Grendel for it and take it deer and coyote hunting this fall.
