Quietest deer round...

Make sure you take earplugs for the deer too, because you 2 year old will make such a loud noise that they will need it. :)
 
"...My wife and most likely my brother will be with us..." It's still not a good idea. Two year olds have a very, very short attention span. If he lasts 15 or 30 minutes being absolutely quiet and still, you'll be lucky. Still in diapers is he? Think about the logistics. How do you plan on keeping the ankle biter warm? Or your wife's feet warm? What will you do when the biggest deer in B.C. wanders by in range and Junior yells like only a 2 year old can, "There's one, daddy!"
Mind you, deer season usually runs more than one day, so taking your crowd for a day or even a few hours won't be the end of the world. Don't think I'd worry too much about actually shooting anything though. Three adults and an ankle biter in a blind is a recipe for lots of noise and, worse, movement. Make it an outing and don't worry about seeing deer.
"...Is burn rate an important factor in noise?..." Nope. The noise is the sonic boom after the bullet and gases have left the barrel. Sub-sonic bullets don't have enough energy at 150 to make a clean kill.
 
1899 said:
And what about black powder? It makes more of a "wump" than a "crack". Is that strictly due to the lower velocity, or does it have something to do with the burning characteristics? Does anyone here shoot black powder, 777 or pyrodex in a centerfire rifle? How does it compare with the same rifle using smokeless?
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I would only use black powder in a cartridge designed for black powder. Neither the 30-30 nor the 7mm was designed for it. 4759 is much faster burning than IMR 3031 but much less dense due to its doughnut shape. I've used 4759 in my 38-55 but have no experience using it with the 30-30 (I use IMR 3031 exclusively in my 30-30). Despite those decibel readings, it can make a large difference if the person is directly behind you rather than beside you. Bottom line, however, I don't think the caliber choice will make a large difference.
 
It's still not a good idea. Two year olds have a very, very short attention span. If he lasts 15 or 30 minutes being absolutely quiet and still, you'll be lucky. Still in diapers is he? Think about the logistics. How do you plan on keeping the ankle biter warm?
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I think it's the "experience" what 1899 is after with his family, seeing deer is second.
As a parent, you will jump through hoops to share with your child.
 
1899, I ma not a parent, and I hope to never be one, but I applaud your course of action.

The first time I shot a gun, I was 2 years old. It's one of my first memories. Although it was only shooting a .22 rifle at beer bottles, from prone, while my dad laid over me holding the rifle, and I was pulling the trigger, I do remember it. My parents remembered it too, when I brought it up a few years ago!:)

There are many naysayers here, and all I can say is "take your kid hunting"

I remember shooting when I was a kid, and your kid will recall the day daddy bagged a buck when he was 2 years old, too...Probably not at first, but I didn't recall my shooting experience until I was in my 20's..
 
The electronic earmuffs are a good idea. I use them myef, amd it is nice to be able to hear everything until the gun goes off. My grandson just turned 3, so I can relate to a 2 year old.

He wears regular ear muffs when shooting the 22. I don't know if he would wear them for an extended period, as you might face.

The blast of a rifle comes from muzzle gases and the sonic bang. Nothing much you can do about the bang. As for the gases, a faster powder is better. 3031 would work.
 
sunray said:
"...Is burn rate an important factor in noise?..." Nope. The noise is the sonic boom after the bullet and gases have left the barrel. Sub-sonic bullets don't have enough energy at 150 to make a clean kill.
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Once again, wrong unfortunately sunray. Muzzle blast is actually where the most perceived noise in a gunshot comes from, not supersonic noise. Suppressed centerfires actually make quite low noise levels (a well supressed supersonic .223 sounds like a .22LR), the noise predominantly coming from the supersonic noise in that case. Supersonic noise is omnidirectional, and travels downrange with the projectile. Muzzle blast rather, is the concussive force we feel after pulling the trigger, we note more of it when a muzzle brake or short barrel is used, which places more of the concussive force closer to us, or in the brake's case vectored closer to us.

Fast powders typically result in lower blast levels, hence why BP is quite quiet. It burns fast, and the pressure spike has passed by the time the projectile exits, in fact pressure will be decreasing in a long barrel, creating lower muzzle blast.
 
1899 said:
I want to take my 2 year old hunting this year. I will make sure he is wearing hearing protection, but I still would rather use a "quiet" round/load.

I am not interested in subsonic loads at this time, nor will I be able to use archery/crossbow equipment. We will be hunting for Whitetail deer (I have a doe draw) and I suspect we should be able to get within 150 yards of our prey.

I have a .30-30 I could use and I was thinking of a light load in that rifle. Or maybe a reduced load in my 7mm RM - the load calls for SR4759 which I found to also be fairly quiet, but dirty, in handguns. I also found that a muzzleloader with black powder is relatively quiet, but I no longer own one. I know velocity and barrel length are important factors. Is burn rate an important factor in noise? Or is it the weight of the powder charge? Perhaps both?

I don't really have the $ right now for new purchases, but any suggestions would be appreciated. BTW I have many years of experience so I am aware of the need for patience, proper shot placement and acceptance of overall limitations.

Having said all that, what would you use if noise was a major factor in your decision?
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Use a crossbow and a pop up blind or something to hide the little guy. I hope it works for you, I think he may get bored pretty quickly but I guess you won't know til you try.
 
Baaa, I never got fancy ear pugs and reduced loads when I was a kid. AND there were always at least 5 guns blasting off as fast as they could at a buck that was 500 yards out and running for it's life.

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a 2-year old is, IMO, not a really good age for this. hell, even getting a 4-5 year old to reliably sit still, not make noise, wear his ear protection, stay behind you, etc is a difficult task.

IMO if you want to take him out, take him out scouting with you or just out in the bush... or take him out for something like grouse. when it comes to sitting in a stand or stalking, leave him at home. by taking a squirming, restless 2 year old along on a deer hunt you are just inviting disaster.

even just having him sit in the stand/blind with you, i really dont see it happening. you cant get a kid that age to sit still/be quiet for more than 30 seconds. best case scenario he will scare away all game within a mile. worst case scenario hell actually get injured.


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and i cant believe some of you guys are suggesting archery + 2 year old.

HAHAHAHAHA.

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i take it all back: was thinking on this more, and if you have an enclosed deer stand like this you would be able to pull it off since it will mask enough noise/movement from all the other people, and the child wont be as uncomfortable. only thing youd have to be careful of is to ensure that everyone inside is wearing hearing protection when you make your shot, which shouldnt be an issue.
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hell, some people watch TV in enclosed stands like this :)
 
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Both parties who've stated either yes or no do have valid points.

The important thing is if you and your wife are fully at ease (comfort/safety perspective) taking along the child then by all means do so - let him have his initial exposure to deer hunting. Admittedly, it would likely be more an outdoors excursion than a serious hunting scenario but that would be insignificant considering the parties involved :). The bonus would be as long as he gets to see some animals in the wild even if you fail to bag one :D
 
Your original question "quieter deer round" honestly don't know, but you and your family have a great time, be safe and send some pics when its all done.. enjoy...
 
John Y Cannuck said:
I've used the 44-40 on deer, it is less than half the noise of the 30-30 to my ear. But it's a very close range round. 75 yard limit would be good.
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I'll second that one!! the 44-40 is an awesome cartridge on deer and its not a heck of alot louder than a .22 rimfire. I killed a nice black bear with mine a few years ago up in Dorset, not too far from you Mr. Cannuck ;)
 
you wont be able to get a round quiet enough that will still be effective on deer you will prolly have to ethier leave him home or make sure he has ear protection on at all times....
 
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