R22 Problems? Anyone else suffering?
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I think Rockchucker is going along the right track, and anyone who has a gen II is screwed. It's been too long to honestly believe that RA has any intentions of making things right.
It's too bad that RA has created this reputation for themselves, all they had to do was address the issue and correct it, but instead they have set themselves up for failure as a business
I am not sure which avenue to take at this point (since I've gotten nowhere with RA for the past 4 months), but I think I will be starting with TSE and see if they can correct or refund my $600 paperweight
It's too bad that RA has created this reputation for themselves, all they had to do was address the issue and correct it, but instead they have set themselves up for failure as a business
I am not sure which avenue to take at this point (since I've gotten nowhere with RA for the past 4 months), but I think I will be starting with TSE and see if they can correct or refund my $600 paperweight
I had all the regular FTF FTE problems with my R22 as well as the holes in my upper were tapped crooked for the handguard. When I first noted the problems I contacted TSE and they asked me to try RA first and if they didn't help to contact them. I dealt with jeremy at RA and he gave me the "parts will be out next week" runaround for about 3 months. I then contacted TSE and they asked me to send the rifle to them which I did. They tried to get the parts from RA and they were getting the runaround as well. TSE called tonight and said they have given up on RA and were not ordering anymore! and they would have a cheque in the mail tomorrow!
TSE gave me the option to buy a rifle if they can salvage the parts from another gun.
Sounds like this is a dead project!
TSE gave me the option to buy a rifle if they can salvage the parts from another gun.
Sounds like this is a dead project!
My interactions with TSE (James) have been reasonable, He has offered to refund my $$$ if the new bolts do not fix the problem...however I am doubtful that the new bolts are ever going to arrive.
I just want to clarify that I am in no way unhappy with the service from TSE, they have been caught in the middle between customers and a manufacturer that does not care about it's customers or partners (TSE).
The thing I am most suprised about is RA is building new parts and guns (the SD) and yet the word is out about how crappy their first rifle is...so who is going to buy anything from them?
I just want to clarify that I am in no way unhappy with the service from TSE, they have been caught in the middle between customers and a manufacturer that does not care about it's customers or partners (TSE).
The thing I am most suprised about is RA is building new parts and guns (the SD) and yet the word is out about how crappy their first rifle is...so who is going to buy anything from them?
If I only had this board to go by, I'd probably not bother with them.
However, my own works perfectly and has since day one. From checking AR15.com, some have had the same bolt related problem, only on the last batch of Gen2 guns, and no they haven't got new bolts either.
If the new guns ever get imported, I'd buy one. If TSE don't continue with the line, and the gun gets good reviews down south, I'll import one personally.
However, my own works perfectly and has since day one. From checking AR15.com, some have had the same bolt related problem, only on the last batch of Gen2 guns, and no they haven't got new bolts either.
If the new guns ever get imported, I'd buy one. If TSE don't continue with the line, and the gun gets good reviews down south, I'll import one personally.
Meh. If someone wants one bad enough to pay that price for it, all the power to them.Hitzy said:
That being said, I am a fairly happy with mine. Mine had some FTE problems, but after changing to steel lip mags, it is 10000% better. I am fairly confident I can get it down even less by playing with ammo.
I'm happy with mine too. TSE has been as fair as I think they can be in this situation and will continue to get my business too.
Has anyone heard anything lately from RA or TSE about the new bolts? The last I heard from TSE was that they were starting to get them in, but that was a couple of weeks ago and I haven't heard anything since.
If you are one of the lucky ones who did get a new bolt, please let us know how's it going.
If you are one of the lucky ones who did get a new bolt, please let us know how's it going.
waynewjw
CGN Regular
Got A Bolt, But No Luck
I dealt direct with RA, emailing and phoning Thomas. I got him to ship a bolt and 2 ejectors via UPS land, which took 8 days to get to Vancouver. Anyway, according to Thomas at RA he said put in the seperate ejector and try it with the old bolt. Took it apart, put in the ejector, headed to the range, fired 100 or so rounds and had the same results, tons of crushed casings and no satisfaction...and I wasted the day.
So, phase II is put in the other ejector and the new bolt. The bolt wouldn't fit, so I had to grind down the cocking handle. Then I had to turn the barrel to line up with the pin position, which is higher on the new bolt. All together 4 hours to get it right, headed to the range, fired 100 or so rounds. In the middle of the testing, it actually fired 2 - 25 round mags without jamming...and I figured, whoppee, I'm finally there! Except the next 50 or so rounds was the same crap, jam after jam. Another wasted day.
Emailed Thomas, and he told me I should turn the barrel out one turn. Did this, headed out again, to find the firing pin wasn't even striking the casings, couldn't fire a round.
So, the smartest thing I've done since I got the R22 was put it back in the box, shipped it back to TSE and got my money back. Bought a brand new Weatherby .270 Win and had a blast all weekend. And not a single jam.
The morale of the story is....I'm not sure that a new bolt will solve the problem. And maybe, it was just he rifle I had. My advice is if you really don't want to part with your R22, send it back to TSE and let them do all the screwing around with it. This way, if it works you've got the gun you thought you were buying. If it doesn't work, they'll send your money back and MOVE ON!
I dealt direct with RA, emailing and phoning Thomas. I got him to ship a bolt and 2 ejectors via UPS land, which took 8 days to get to Vancouver. Anyway, according to Thomas at RA he said put in the seperate ejector and try it with the old bolt. Took it apart, put in the ejector, headed to the range, fired 100 or so rounds and had the same results, tons of crushed casings and no satisfaction...and I wasted the day.
So, phase II is put in the other ejector and the new bolt. The bolt wouldn't fit, so I had to grind down the cocking handle. Then I had to turn the barrel to line up with the pin position, which is higher on the new bolt. All together 4 hours to get it right, headed to the range, fired 100 or so rounds. In the middle of the testing, it actually fired 2 - 25 round mags without jamming...and I figured, whoppee, I'm finally there! Except the next 50 or so rounds was the same crap, jam after jam. Another wasted day.
Emailed Thomas, and he told me I should turn the barrel out one turn. Did this, headed out again, to find the firing pin wasn't even striking the casings, couldn't fire a round.
So, the smartest thing I've done since I got the R22 was put it back in the box, shipped it back to TSE and got my money back. Bought a brand new Weatherby .270 Win and had a blast all weekend. And not a single jam.
The morale of the story is....I'm not sure that a new bolt will solve the problem. And maybe, it was just he rifle I had. My advice is if you really don't want to part with your R22, send it back to TSE and let them do all the screwing around with it. This way, if it works you've got the gun you thought you were buying. If it doesn't work, they'll send your money back and MOVE ON!
waynewjw
CGN Regular
Failures
I was using 2 hot lips mags. The FTF, I think, was caused when the barrel was moved forward one full rotation, put it to far away from the firing pin (small moon shaped portion of the barrel at top and bottom which stop the bolt from moving any further forward). The ejection was simply the main issue. Out of 1000-1500 rounds fired, I think I might have gotten 3 or 4 mags without a failure. Otherwise, the R22 would fail to eject (infrequent problem) or crimp the spend casing half way out of the receiver with the bolt (frequent problem), as in every 5 or so rounds.
I suppose I could have screwed around with it another few days, taken it to the smith and let him have a go at it for more money, but why??? I understood that I was getting a unique semi auto that worked. As much as I liked the R22, it just wasn't an operational firearm and was simply time to move on.
If RA survives this issue, I will probably look at it again once Gen III or IV are out. Hopefully, all of the bugs will have been dealt with.
I was using 2 hot lips mags. The FTF, I think, was caused when the barrel was moved forward one full rotation, put it to far away from the firing pin (small moon shaped portion of the barrel at top and bottom which stop the bolt from moving any further forward). The ejection was simply the main issue. Out of 1000-1500 rounds fired, I think I might have gotten 3 or 4 mags without a failure. Otherwise, the R22 would fail to eject (infrequent problem) or crimp the spend casing half way out of the receiver with the bolt (frequent problem), as in every 5 or so rounds.
I suppose I could have screwed around with it another few days, taken it to the smith and let him have a go at it for more money, but why??? I understood that I was getting a unique semi auto that worked. As much as I liked the R22, it just wasn't an operational firearm and was simply time to move on.
If RA survives this issue, I will probably look at it again once Gen III or IV are out. Hopefully, all of the bugs will have been dealt with.
waynewjw said:
Your problem was most likely the damn hotlips mags. I'm willing to bet you'd have 100% reliability with Steel Lips. The ejector in the Ruger design is a back up to the hardened steel point on the factory mag and some of the aftermarket. Vigourous ammo may have enough bolt velocity to effectively eject from the built in ejector.
In my own, I feed it a steady diet of Federal #745 and #710 copper plated high velocity through Steel Lips mags. It takes a really dirty gun or my cycling the trigger faster than the bolt to have a failure to fire.
