R8's Rock!

[gdawg]

Currently available .357-Magnum loads are rivalling 30/30 ballistics.

which ones??

 

[Chuck3436]

Inform me of this advanced training beyond what SWAT teams are using which somehow makes their requirments lacking in your eye's.

40 years of casual plinking isn't empirical of anything. Try running more than one cylinder rapidly and attempt a "rapid" reload, they don't happen. If hot casings or a dirty chamber don't get you, the dexterity required to align six small rounds with six holes will. And don't offer up Jerry Miculek, he shoots for a living and spends many many hours practicing his movements. Your autos failing is likely due to the quality of said firearm and the ammunition. I suspect you're running reloads and using dated pistols like oh, a 1911?

I've seen several revolvers fail, its usually stuck cases in a hot or dirty cylinder after less than a box of ammo. I've seen a handful of revolvers fail catastrophically to the point they required tools and disassembly to rectify. The negatives of a wheel gun far far outweigh any potential benefit. The BC CFO and their decision to only allow revolvers has absolutely zero to do with reliability and your safety.



Try taking an advanced course and get back to me on the requirement for both hands with a type 1 or 2 failure. Even a type 3 can be done with one hand, albeit slow and far from easy but it can be done. Type 1 and 2 stoppages are hardly a major issue for one hand work. Nevertheless, the shield guy doesn't go in alone, and if you run a quality gun, the stoppage rate isn't worth discussing as it doesn't happen.

You failed to address the potential stoppages I posted above. A weak main spring or a blown primer are bad for business. Tell me how you reload a revolver one handed or operate the mounted light properly without gas cutting your digits?

TDC

 

[wayupnorth]

40 years of casual plinking isn't empirical of anything.

actually..... it is. Do you know what empirical means?

Try running more than one cylinder rapidly and attempt a "rapid" reload, they don't happen. If hot casings or a dirty chamber don't get you, the dexterity required to align six small rounds with six holes will.

totally with you on this, unfortunatlly we are not discussing the pro's and con's of reloading a wheel gun, we are talking about which kind of gun is intrinsically more reliable to run as a shield man.

And don't offer up Jerry Miculek, he shoots for a living and spends many many hours practicing his movements.

i didnt bring him up, you just did, but again we are not discussing reloading.

Your autos failing is likely due to the quality of said firearm and the ammunition. I suspect you're running reloads and using dated pistols like oh, a 1911?

while i do have a lot of 1911's and enjoy them the guns im referring to are my Glocks and my M&P's and i have never shot a reload in my life.

The BC CFO and their decision to only allow revolvers has absolutely zero to do with reliability and your safety.

really? are you certain about that? i know over 20 guys that i see on a daily basis that have work carry permits and when discussing this with them they say that the BC CFO wants people to carry wheel guns because they are more reliable and safe. But what would they know, they only have actually have talked to the BC CFO and have their carry permits. Just saying.

while the wheel gun is not my favorite gun, by far, i have to go off of the data that ive accrued over my life (oh not not empirical data again!) and like ive said before ive never had a wheel gun jam on me. so when people say the R8 is better for a shield guy i say - ok ya, i can see that.
would I personally carry it?
probably not, i think id prefer 17 rounds in my mag over 8.