Radios for coyote hunting (not CB's or FRS)

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Any of you coyote hunters using these puxing or baofeng radios for communications while hunting coyotes?
These crappy Midland FRS are just crap to use for reliable communication beyond line of sight.

I'd like to get better range a clarity but don't want to get hassled for using them. I understand they aren't legal but after reading some paintball forums. I see they all seem to use them in their war games without any hassle if they are set up correctly on the right channels.
 
Any of you coyote hunters using these puxing or baofeng radios for communications while hunting coyotes?
These crappy Midland FRS are just crap to use for reliable communication beyond line of sight.

I'd like to get better range a clarity but don't want to get hassled for using them. I understand they aren't legal but after reading some paintball forums. I see they all seem to use them in their war games without any hassle if they are set up correctly on the right channels.

The boefeng work well...... you "need" a license for them though...
 
The boefeng work well...... you "need" a license for them though...

Technically yes but..........
been researching there are some frequencies that if you keep the radio to 2 watt they should leave us alone at least that is my understanding. Just looking for something hand held with enough range to hear 2 concessions away. FRS will not!
 
Technically yes but..........
been researching there are some frequencies that if you keep the radio to 2 watt they should leave us alone at least that is my understanding. Just looking for something hand held with enough range to hear 2 concessions away. FRS will not!

Let me just say there is a reason I out quotes in my post..... :)
 
the guys I deer hunt with all use these 2 way radios, this year I bought a new boefeng and cant seem to program it to the channel we use, but you can go quite a distance with them
 
Get a ham radio license which will open up more bands and power. The basic course is very simple, doesn't require morse code and will ensure you understand enough basic radio theory to not cause harm or interference with higher power radios. Another fun hobby to invest in!

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Get a ham radio license which will open up more bands and power. The basic course is very simple, doesn't require morse code and will ensure you understand enough basic radio theory to not cause harm or interference with higher power radios. Another fun hobby to invest in!

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It's a relatively easy and straight forward test. Then you have a lot more options typically 5w for a Handheld and 50w in your truck.
 
Look around for some UHF or VHF radios, VHF are better for outdoors use. Get some Motorola or Kenwoods, these are the types that are used in plants, schools, and emergency services. These radios will get you a decent range of an honest 3-4 miles most times.
 
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Heck, put a WTB ad on kijiji Edmonton. These used to be rentals on about 30% of the rigs out. Seeing as there is about 15% rig utilization right now in AB...I'd guess that you could pick up a few.
And they work pretty good too. Couple miles IIRC
 
Any of you coyote hunters using these puxing or baofeng radios for communications while hunting coyotes?
These crappy Midland FRS are just crap to use for reliable communication beyond line of sight.

I'd like to get better range a clarity but don't want to get hassled for using them. I understand they aren't legal but after reading some paintball forums. I see they all seem to use them in their war games without any hassle if they are set up correctly on the right channels.

We have two Baofeng UV-5RTP (Tri-Power 8/4/1W) up at the cabin we use all the time at full wattage. I programmed all and use the GMRS freq only and never run into problems. I run the stubby antennas and can get 2 km easily in our 215 acre forest private land. Flat no tree interference and I can reach just over 4 km with the stubbies.
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We have two Baofeng UV-5RTP (Tri-Power 8/4/1W) up at the cabin we use all the time at full wattage. I programmed all and use the GMRS freq only and never run into problems. I run the stubby antennas and can get 2 km easily in our 215 acre forest private land. Flat no tree interference and I can reach just over 4 km with the stubbies.
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Exactly! Been using Baofengs for a few years now. The PC kit is way easier for programming. I carry a frequency list in my truck that way I can monitor the Highway Workers as I got caught during flooding in Fernie and was able to monitor what was happening.

Big thing is do not abuse the frequencies and power of these radios as it can cause problems for the Ham guys. I too only use the FRS channels. I will take the Ham course and get my licence as you can also in theory use the repeaters if your radio is capable.

Decided on these over the Motorola or Kenwoods because I wanted cheaper antennas, mikes, cases, chargers and batteries. I have both a car charger and solar charger for my radios in my truck kit. These radios also work great while travelling with another vehicle in the mountains.
 
Technically yes but..........
been researching there are some frequencies that if you keep the radio to 2 watt they should leave us alone at least that is my understanding. Just looking for something hand held with enough range to hear 2 concessions away. FRS will not!

This issue is that even with a Baofeng, you're not going to get much more. It is still a handheld VHF/UHF transceiver. FRS is in the UHF band (462 MHz), and therefore topography is going to be a big factor, and most important is antenna height and hills. The Baofeng I have does 5w and 1w, but without the repeater on the CN Tower retransmitting the signal back, it would not go beyond a few city blocks.

Have a look at this http://www.intercomsonline.com/2-Way-Radio-Range-How-Far-Can-Two-Way-Radios-Communicate-s/136.htm

The benefit of moving to VHF (available on the Baofeng and not FRS/GRMS) is probably not going to make much difference if there are lots of hills - and you'd be moving in to 'need a license' territory. Output wattage (going from 1w to 5w) is surprisingly not a big factor - antenna height matters much more.

At the camp ground where I go, the staff use 6m radios, but there is a repeater at the guard house on a tower that is about 15 meters tall. I'm sure they have big dead zones even with that setup.

Could you try setting up a time/schedule to move to a hilltop and checking in with other parties also on a hilltop?

We'll see if some other HAMs weigh in here with some other ideas...

Winston
 
Very Good description there Winston1984 with good first hand experiences shared.
I stumbled upon a web site about hunting and amateur radios and hunting in the hills of California where the guys all used radios and home built repeaters.
It was simply amazing the simple technology they employed to cover the 24 sq miles of private land where the terain was difficult.
Unfortunately, I can not find that page quickly to share with those who may be interested in such a venture.
These guys spent a couple hundred dollars to start and their results are very positive.
Of course they are licensed amateur radio operators, but the project is simple , cost effective but does take a couple hours to set up the repeater ahead of time.
The upside is they are hunting safer in the area, they can keep in touch with one another and having fun as hunters and amateur radio operators (HAMS)

I hope this info tempts prospective radio users to dig a little deeper in their choice of radios.

Rob
 
We use VHF portables and to increase distance at the start of our day we hook up to external antenna on our vehicles. The external will give us 5-10 miles and some of us run two sets, one as a portable and 2nd hooked up as a mobile that stays in the vehicle. Only down side is that we cannot hook up to an external power source and sometimes need a 2nd battery to last a full day on the portables. Our VHF with portable mic, external antenna and ear bud ran $425 each. The VHF are a lot smaller to use and carry but the replacement batteries for VHF are not cheap $70.

We used the CB radios prior to this that had over 200 channels ( not upper or lower sidebands) and on different bands that gave better distance than VHF but the skip was the issue. I still have the CB's/portables and they worked as good as the VHF. The mobiles CB gave more distances than the VHF with the external antenna. The CB portables we used rechargeables that lasted 5 years at $50. .
 
There a few things then has been already said that needs to by explained alittle.
1. The cheap way is good quality GMRS radios which have up to 2 watts of power. Requires no licence from Industry Canada. There are some good ones out of the US where GMRS is actually a licenced band. Is it good for treed and hilly terrian?? no.
2. The Baofeng radios are cheap Ham radios that can easily be programmed out of the ham band plan. You can easily get onto a frequency that can create problems for you. All it takes is 1 complaint and Industry Canada starts an investigation into you. IC are already looking into the ease of going out of band with them.
3. The Kenwoods, Icoms etc, are either commercial radios or Amateur band radios, more power, better biult but may not have a greater distance. I should add easier to get into trouble.
4. Someone posted about the radios used up northern AB/BC. These are VHF and technically require a licence to operate, but many don't have it.
5. Someone stated about repeaters. While they can be biult cheaply, there is some basic skills required to set one up, and legally requires a station licence.
6. Get your Ham ticket. It takes work but my commonlaw challenged the test and got her Basic with Honours which gives her full HF privileges as well as VHF, UHF with up to 200 watts of power.

Now what band should you use to get as far as possible for the least amount of $$?
There are many things to factor in, cost of radio/equipment, size of antenna and longevity of battery charge. The shorty antennas are nothing more than a dummy load to keep the radio happy, here bigger is better as long as it is tuned to the frequency.
Simply put, the higher of frequency the less distance on the ground covered (there are a few exceptions).

So, which is best to point to point in a varied terrain?? my money is VHF (but I'm a ham) and here is why:
1. good point to point ground path performance;
2. with a better antenna = better performance;
3. Alot of used equipment out there.
But - a licence of some sort required.

For a person non-licenced, I would say GMRS / FRS first:
1. no licence required;
2. cheap radios (a good gmrs is better quality over Baofeng), some can have the antenna upgraded easily;
3. Did I say cheap radios that require no licence yet??
It would be irresponsible for me to suggest getting an Icom / Kenwood UHF commercial radio and have them programmed to the GMRS frequencies as they put out more than 2 watts and can easily have better antennas attached increasing range / efficiency while keeping them in a small package.
And CB:
1. no licence required;
2. Cheap equipment with more power output;
3. abundance of antenna options to increase performance.
4. but, Big antennas required for hand held radios :(.

Just a thought.
Not sure if they are good for eastern Canada but BC/AB has the LADD VHF frequencies. A lot of people use them out here.
 
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