Ran into some problems load testing today. Case damage I have never seen before

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I ran into some problems load testing today I was hoping you guys could help me with. Let me give you some background.

I am quite new to reloading. I have loaded about 300 rounds of .308 and that's petty much it. I try for precision Trimming every case, clean the primer pockets, deburr flash holes, trickle powder.

I have been working on a load for my SSG 3000. The rifle has Vortex PST 6-24x scope, Burris Zee ring, and I always shoot it prone with a bipod and rear bag. It gets pretty well looked after.

Anyways I had settled on 44 grains of Varget pushing a 175 SMK out of a Federal case with a Federal 210 match primer. I'm not a very good shot so after some ladder testing from 43 to 44.5 grains I was trying other popular loads I had seen online. At 150 meters I got this group I was really happy with using 43.5:

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I loaded up another batch to try against my 44 grain loads to see if maybe I had just gotten lucky. At 100 meters I shot this group with a lot of horizontal stringing.

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I read up on the problem online and figured it was probably just me. I loaded up seven each at 43.3, 43.5, and 43.7 to see what kind of wiggle room this promising load had.

This is where things get a bit more interesting (I realize my story is probably really boring). I was shooting over my chronograph and the first round of the day was a 43.3 that read out at 2599 FPS but after firing the gun smelled like burnt plastic or something. The bolt was so stuck I had to grab the stock and reef on it to open it. The case came out but wouldn't eject. I took the bolt right out and had to knock the case off the extractor.

Here's what it looked like. Next to it is another round I fired:

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The case got a second rim added to it and the primer popped out. The base is covered in soot and you can see where the extractor dig in.

I probably shouldn't have but I kept shooting. My chronograph gave all kinds of weird numbers like 3300 FPS so I think the sun was giving it trouble but the 43.5 grouped really well horizontally this time but not vertically. Looked like this at 150 meters:

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So.my biggest questions are what could have caused the case to be damaged like that? Cold it have damaged my gun? And why are my rounds stringing vertically?

Sorry to be so long winded but I thought the details might be important. I got the cases for cheap and I believe it was once fired. It was my first shot of the day so maybe something was in the bore? I didn't check it before I started. The powder fills the case to almost the top of the shoulder and I am usually quite dilligant in weighing it. I only use one type of powder.

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Could the round have damaged the gun enough to cause the vertical stringing? I thought maybe I didn't load the bipod correctly or consistantly. Perhaps the velocities were inconsistent? My chronograph didn't read many rounds and I don't think they varied by 700 FPS so I couldn't trust it.
 
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STOP! Have a very careful look at what you are doing cause something is way wrong, that is massive over pressure!

I've have the same result when I mixed up some 174gr SMK with my 175gr SMK bullets, 174gr are .311 not .308 and it makes a big difference with warm varget loads.
 
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The only variable would be cases. I have 168 and 175 SMKs but haven't used 168s in a while. I don't have any other powders and all the other rounds were fine. Velocity was 13 FPS below a load 0.2 grains heavier so it seemed normal, assuming the chrono was correct. The first few shots I got good readings.

I haven't drank years but I may have gotten distracted. I just don't know what I could done that would have caused it. I trickle off each charge, measure COAL each time.

Also in my ladder testing I have loaded hotter loads, shorter rounds, longer rounds. None of them showed any problems and some charges were slightly compressed.
 
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My two guesses would be either too hot a load or too loose a primer pocket?

Are you running a Shooting Chrony? If so, I had a similar problem with the first Chrony I bought. Turns out it was defective and Chrony replaced the unit.
 
I am running a Pro Chrono.

Some of the cases needed more pressure than others to seat the primers than others. I hear Federal cases are bad for getting loose primer pockets, but I didn't think it would cause this big a problem. I started with a bunch of the cases and didn't want to switch to a different kind so I bought more.
 
STOP right now and take apart any rounds you have loaded. Something is seriously wrong here.

That round is showing massive damage from pressures far in excess of anything possible with just a "bad case" or seating depth or any component mismatch.

I'm not going to speculate on causes just yet but something is very very wrong. Get this rifle checked out by a qualified gunsmith. Pressures like that could have expanded the chamber, set the lugs back, or increased the headspace.
 
"I was trying other popular loads I had seen online"

You don't say...

I have 3 manuals that list 175s. Your starting load is higher than each published max. Would you like to borrow a manual? ;)
 
Online load data can be used as a suggestion for an area of investigation, but should be verified with
a reputable source like printed reloading manuals or powder/projectile mfgr web sites.
 
175 GR. SIE HPBT
Manufacturer Hodgdon
Powder Varget
Bullet Diameter .308"
C.O.L. 2.800"
Starting Load
Grains 42.0
Velocity (ft/s) 2,583
Pressure 42,600 CUP
Maximum Load
Grains 45.0C
Velocity (ft/s) 2,690
Pressure 48,600 CUP


straight from here ; http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle




your doing something seriously wrong , did you mix up your powder with something else ?


I have never seen the case head push out to look like a belt on a magnum case before
 
The extrusion is a sign the load is past the yield limits for the brass. The small unsupported part of the chamber leaves that part of the brass free to expand.

Between that and the blown primers it's a very serious overpressure sign.
 
Got to agree that the case looks to have been over-pressured.
Are the cases all of known origin or are they range pickup? Just wondered if a rogue case had got in the mix somewhere along the line. Do you anneal your cases? -the dodgy one may have been annealed all the way from the neck to the head. Do you crimp your rounds?-did one case get an extra hard crimping due to a seating die being set up wrong?
I tend not to trust electronic scales when reloading (a lot of people swear by them but I am old school and just dont trust them enough for them to give me the warm and fuzzies) Even with tuned and calibrated 505's I still check the weighed loads randomly during reloading and again with a small torch or calibrated dowel dropped into the case to check the powder level before bullet seating.
Hope you get to the bottom of the problem.
Keep safe!
 
Things to do :
Stop while you are ahead and don't use any of your loads
Take the rifle to a smith to get inspected
Stop using other people's load data online use only a well know source like Hodgson
Get yourself a reloading manual and start from the first page and have a good read
If your stuck ask for some help right here many will be glad to help you
Good luck
 
My initial thought would be to check your scale. I have an electric scale that needs to be calibrated correctly or it will read incorrectly on all charges. I always check with a backup balance beam type scale (RCBS 5-0-5). If you have any rounds left I would suggest to pull them and with your scale properly calibrated, re weigh some charges.
 
My initial thought would be to check your scale. I have an electric scale that needs to be calibrated correctly or it will read incorrectly on all charges. I always check with a backup balance beam type scale (RCBS 5-0-5). If you have any rounds left I would suggest to pull them and with your scale properly calibrated, re weigh some charges.

^^ This if running a digital scale. If my digital scale isn't warmed up for 20-30min, I will notice some drifting at the start until I zero it out again. I've had to redo a batch of ammo (good thing I hadn't seated bullets as yet) because my scale drifted a full 2 grains. Now I'm always conscious of the scale and always check the reading when I remove the pan to dump powder.
 
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