LOL yea it packs a wallop ,that rubber pad will help big time
when I was firing my M44 I was warned by the RO not to catch the berm on fire there was so much flame comin out the end
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Range Day with my Mosin M38.
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I've been trying to tune in mine for a bush gun. 205gr soft points at 150 yards for a 12 inch square gong. I need a bit of tweaking on the front sights, and depending on what make of ammo I use, the POI is to the left or right. I'm doing ok at 100 yards but I would rather have the confidence of 150 yards, which is the maximum shot I could probably take in the property where I hunt.
I like the short butt stock for the reason it was designed, to operate the rifle with heavy clothes in cold weather conditions, which is pretty much hunting season in Alberta. I shoot 45-70, 7mmSTW, and .338, I don't notice any recoil on a Mosin.
I like the short butt stock for the reason it was designed, to operate the rifle with heavy clothes in cold weather conditions, which is pretty much hunting season in Alberta. I shoot 45-70, 7mmSTW, and .338, I don't notice any recoil on a Mosin.
The next time I am out I may try a different type of Ammo to see if that makes a difference, My rounds seem to hit all over the target and I couldn't get any tight groupings @ a 100 Yards...but for now I will still blame the bugs for distracting me..
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Check the action screws too FYI. Make sure they are tight. If they are tight and there is still wiggle room you may need a shim.
Mine came a little loose. This can cause a POI shift. Not saying this is this issue, just worthwhile checking.
You also have to try some old surplus and watch the old girl breathe fire balls!
I've heard it's a slower burning powder and the short barrel of the M38 / M44 doesn't allow for the complete burn.
Can't vouch that's the reason - but I can vouch for the AWESOME muzzle flash it produces!
Great looking gun! Enjoy it!
Mine came a little loose. This can cause a POI shift. Not saying this is this issue, just worthwhile checking.
You also have to try some old surplus and watch the old girl breathe fire balls!
I've heard it's a slower burning powder and the short barrel of the M38 / M44 doesn't allow for the complete burn.
Can't vouch that's the reason - but I can vouch for the AWESOME muzzle flash it produces!
Great looking gun! Enjoy it!
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Also helpful:
When tuning my M44's / mosins / M38's, I will bench rest / sand bag at 50 yards.
There are "mosin sight tools" available for reasonable cost (don't know if any vendors sell them, I think I just googled it).
They are a sight pusher that make for easy windage adjustments.
As for elevation your options are:
1.) adding a small piece of rubber tubing on the front post to raise your POI.
2.) try using different weight ammo and hope for the best.
3.) if you manage a good grouping at 50 yards, move out to the 100 yards. (Size of a fist is a decent group).
When tuning my M44's / mosins / M38's, I will bench rest / sand bag at 50 yards.
There are "mosin sight tools" available for reasonable cost (don't know if any vendors sell them, I think I just googled it).
They are a sight pusher that make for easy windage adjustments.
As for elevation your options are:
1.) adding a small piece of rubber tubing on the front post to raise your POI.
2.) try using different weight ammo and hope for the best.
3.) if you manage a good grouping at 50 yards, move out to the 100 yards. (Size of a fist is a decent group).
The next time I am out I may try a different type of Ammo to see if that makes a difference, My rounds seem to hit all over the target and I couldn't get any tight groupings @ a 100 Yards...but for now I will still blame the bugs for distracting me..
I'm not gonna say i'm getting tight groups, but I can say I'm hitting a one foot square gong at 100 yards, which is essentially good enough to hit the boiler maker of a whitetail deer. I'd be much happier if I could continuously hit the 12 inch plate at 150 yards.
The 203gr MFS gives me a different POI than does the LVE 203gr soft points. I need more time to make a choice and set my sights.
Thanks Ghostntheshell,
Some good ideas you mentioned there, I did all my shooting from 100 Yards next time I will try as you said and start from 50 and go from there...I hope to make it back out to the Range sometime in August.
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Yeah agreed, own all three and you can feel a major change in recoil. They are all perfectly manageable though for a decent amount of shots, not like a 300 win mag or something.
Anyway, looks like you had fun Strato!, that's the main thing.
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I've never seen a huge muzzle flash from corrosive surplus ammo in 7.62x54r. Have only seen large fireballs from Norinco 7.62x39 non-corrosive, most likely due to the powder they use.
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Oh you have to google M44 fireballs!
There's a plethora of YouTube videos capturing the awesomeness
Yeah it was a lot of fun, I really have to get to the Range more often and only about a 40 minute drive from the City so not to far either.
I never noticed any splits in my spent cases but that doesn't sound right to me,I was using MFS (FMJ non-corrosive)...I am sure others will chime in on that....
BTW--I like your signature I am a Guitar Player as well so I can relate.....lol
I have examples of all the Russian rifles and all of them throw the occasional split case when using surplus. When I first noticed I posted up a thread and was reassured that it wasn't a concern. Also brought one of the split cases to a gunsmith friend and he told me it was the ammo and perfectly safe to continue using.
Roger that. Its just the poor quality of mass produced steel cases at the time. Many Mosins and their bores/chambers are milled slightly over-spec and the cartridge cases tend to split. If you use good quality brass cartridges, you will not see this so often.
Hey OP,
Of note for Mosins and many other milsurp, you should use a 6 o clock hold. This is done with the plan of being able to keep your target "fully" in view so you do not lose track of them. Go to this website for some great information on the round http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7.62x54R.html
Also of note, some claim to have better result with bayonet attached due to settling the barrel down or some such. I find them good without but you never know... might be something to try.
Of note for Mosins and many other milsurp, you should use a 6 o clock hold. This is done with the plan of being able to keep your target "fully" in view so you do not lose track of them. Go to this website for some great information on the round http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/7.62x54R.html
Also of note, some claim to have better result with bayonet attached due to settling the barrel down or some such. I find them good without but you never know... might be something to try.
Thanks interesting site, it is easy to lose sight of the target. @ 100 yds that bulls-eye looks awful small...I will try 6 o clock hold starting at the 50 yard bench first.
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