Rod B
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
My Club has video cameras on all ranges to ensure that any improper actions are documented.
Range etiquette
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My Club has video cameras on all ranges to ensure that any improper actions are documented.
I am very fortunate to belong to a small club with a capped membership of 120. I am retired and go to my range on week days and fully 95% of the time I am the only shooter there. Generally with our membership being so small, we don't have much problem, we also have a six month probationary membership for new members. Full membership requires a club vote on the new member.
Our club has absolutely zero tolerance for any unsafe range practices. You get a warning and if you decide you want to defend your unsafe practices you are immediately an ex-member. This has happened a few times. The most recent was at a match and their was an accidental discharge in the parking area. The member got belligerent when he was asked to explain why he had a loaded rifle off the firing line. Next meeting a vote was held and this member was an ex-member. There was the unsafe act which was serious, but it was more his attitude after the incident that led to membership being revoked.
We have such a shortage of ranges in our area, that they are like gold so only a fool does anything to possibly loose membership at a range.
Our club has absolutely zero tolerance for any unsafe range practices. You get a warning and if you decide you want to defend your unsafe practices you are immediately an ex-member. This has happened a few times. The most recent was at a match and their was an accidental discharge in the parking area. The member got belligerent when he was asked to explain why he had a loaded rifle off the firing line. Next meeting a vote was held and this member was an ex-member. There was the unsafe act which was serious, but it was more his attitude after the incident that led to membership being revoked.
We have such a shortage of ranges in our area, that they are like gold so only a fool does anything to possibly loose membership at a range.
Rod B
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Why is that unfortunate? Are you doing something wrong?
sounds pretty elitist to me.
You don't know enough about the situation to say the rule is not needed or that it is "fudd crap".
Placing targets ON TOP of a target board increases the odds of bullets going over the berm. The CFOs like to avoid that kind of thing, along with targets placed directly on berms, to reduce the amount of hits high up on the berms. Shots regularly hitting high on the berm increases the odds of a serious incident should an oblivious hiker with an iPod or a quad rider pop up on top of the berm... Steps to keep shots low on the berm is a good rule.
Also, the club may not have the resources to deal with anything other than paper targets. Some clubs have the resources to clean up the mess from clay target holders and some barely have the means to keep the grass cut. If you want to shoot things that make messes, do it responsibly where it can be accommodated.
A British guy I know said the exact same thing. He loves all the government surveillance and cameras in the UK and wished Canada follow suit. Saying if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. Yes I know the range is a private club however having been a member for 25 years (most members are respectful and we police each others when necessary) with no cameras and no real problems or issues, the recent intrusion with the eye in the sky reminds me of some quotes from Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.
It’s easy to forget that the PAL/RPAL courses that are required to be able to buy a firearm don’t actually teach you a thing about what to do with one once you own it. Ranges can vary significantly on what training they require, some don’t ask for much. With this, there’s a chance you’re dealing with someone who just doesn’t know - though on the other hand you might be dealing with someone who just doesn’t care. The former are worth trying to help (as long as they’re willing to accept it), the latter are best left to club executive.
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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Sweep me with the muzzle of your gun on the firing line once and I’ll bring it up fairly politely the first time if you aren’t already acting like a yahoo, do it a second time and you’ll know right away. I have no problem yelling at you in front of everyone on the line, clearly the first time I politely brought it up didn’t sink in. If it happens a third time you be having a chat with the BOD about it...
Very good point. I've been a member of clubs in 3 provinces and each was very different. In one province, I bought a paper card from the local gun store, drove to the range and then signed the log book each time I went into the club. Never interacted with a single club board member or executive. In another province I had to take a 2hr safety course and wear my badge at all times. In the third province I had to take a full day course, be a probationary member for a certain amount of time and do a certain amount of supervised shoots, plus yearly volunteering.
I have to admit that the busier a club is, the more incidents there are and the more training the members should get. Taking that into account before reacting in a situation like this is a great idea.
Installing cameras to monitor member conduct is just ridiculous, if you're having problems with them put the time to properly educate them, or get rid of the problem causers. Pretty simple. Using cameras to keep an eye on valuables is one thing, watching your membership is something else, welcome to 1984. Lazy club mentality and sadly brainwashing the membership at the same time. Unfortunately some of the CFO's are forcing this on some clubs, for them I understand them needing to do so, but they should also fight it, in court if need be.
i wonder if the cfo is going to pay for those upgrades? (sarcasm not an actual question). A full blown camera system would even be feasible where i shoot. no electricity, and no plans to ever have it.
... and anyone who turned their FAC into a POL, and had it upgraded to a PAL by C42, didn't take a safety course at all. I doubt any 12.6 took a safety course - I've had two pointed at me (one loaded, one snubby with a trigger lock on).
That's exactly the point. The Ontario CFO requested my club to have camera installed at the ranges some time ago. The club had to pay for that. And good luck with going to court to fight it. You must be kidding. The club would be ruined financially.
Try putting cameras in clubs where there is no power. How would that work?
paper only at the range I go to. you can't get say that rule is not needed and do it anyway. if you want to come back again that is.
