Range Report: 118 year-old 45-70 Springfield 1888

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At lunch time today, I managed to squeeze in a quick trip to the range to try out three different loads. My rifle is an original Springfield 1888 .45-70 made 118 years ago, but in fantastic shape. Here's a photo .....

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The first load was a bit scary for me to try. I read about using cream of wheat filler in old cartridges, but I'd never tried it before. I loaded up just 5 cartridges with 30 grains of IMR 3031 plus 1/4 teaspoon (rounded) under a 500 grain SAECO RNPB boolit that I'd cast last fall. I'd loaded these 5 rounds up last fall, but was waiting to get up the courage to shoot them. Finally, I figured today's the day. I laid the rifle barrel across my shooting bag and took careful aim through the peep of the Buffington sight, making sure my arms were well back in case she blew, and I pulled the trigger. After three rounds, I went down to take a look. At 100 yards, the 3 shots made a nice little 11/16" group. This load looks like it has potential and gives a hefty 1,170 fps. Here's a photo of the target ...

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For the next two loads, I only had 2 bullets and three bullets respectively, so I figured I'd use the remaining two cream of wheat loads to adjust my sights a little closer to centre.

The next load was 30 grains of IMR 4198 under a 340 grain FNPB bullet. A fellow had sent me three, but one had a bad casting flaw, so I only had two shots. I took aim and let 'er rip. Velocity was 1,416 fps and, man, was the point of impact ever different than the 500 grain boolits. The thumb tack at the top left corner of the target was obliterated, but both bullets went in within 1/4" of each other. A 2-shot group of 1/4" at 100 yards isn't all that bad.

The final load was 30 grains of IMR 4198 under a 405 grain FNPB boolit which gave 1,410 fps. I only had three of these, so I let 'er fly and then went down to take a look. a 3-shot group of 2 & 11/16" at 100 yards. Not bad. Here's a photo ....

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As you may have guessed, that 500 grain cream of wheat load has my attention. I'll be loading up some more of that to try again. The 340 grain bullet also gave phenomenal accuracy, but since I don't have that mould, I won't be doing any more work with that one for the near future. I'd like to do some more work with the 405 grain bullet. I got a bunch of them to work with. Maybe a little cream of wheat ...?
 
Screw all these high cost modern sniper rifles. I'm getting myself a 100 year old civil war weapon...haha
I'm real impressed, thats quite a rifle.
 
Cream of wheat eh? What's the story there?
The Cream of wheat filler does two things. First, it keeps the powder back against the primer, giving more consistent burning, making the extreme spread in velocities smaller and reducing vertical spread of the bullet. Second, it acts as a gas check, significantly improving accuracy. I read of some experiments that Mike Venturino did with a .40-82 (IIRC) using cream of wheat and it hugely improved accuracy. I thought I'd try it since my 500 grain bullets drop from the mould about .003 undersize. The cream of wheat filler makes a huge improvement in accuracy with this undersize bullet.
 
The Cream of wheat filler does two things. First, it keeps the powder back against the primer, giving more consistent burning, making the extreme spread in velocities smaller and reducing vertical spread of the bullet. Second, it acts as a gas check, significantly improving accuracy. I read of some experiments that Mike Venturino did with a .40-82 (IIRC) using cream of wheat and it hugely improved accuracy. I thought I'd try it since my 500 grain bullets drop from the mould about .003 undersize. The cream of wheat filler makes a huge improvement in accuracy with this undersize bullet.

dump question, would this work with other rounds? I don't want to blow myself up.
 
dump question, would this work with other rounds? I don't want to blow myself up.
That is not a dumb question. A good reloader is a cautious reloader. Better to ask than to turn your rifle into a bomb.

I'm pretty sure it is a good way to blow your rifle to Kingdom-Come if used in the wrong cartridge. The only cartridges I've ever read people using them in are the straight walled black powder cartridges. Their capacity is over designed for smokeless, so some fellows when loading smokeless powder into black powder cartridges use fillers such as Cream of Wheat, toilet paper, or dacron. Examples of black powder cartridges are:
38-55
40-60
40-65
40-82
45-60
45-70
45-90

It may be the case that if you tried that in bottle neck cartridges, the cream of wheat would form an obstruction as it got jammed into the bottle neck and your rifle would become shrapnel.
 
Great post

35-55, just wanted to say thanks for posting your range report on your Springfield '88. Very neat old rifle. Great info to go along with. She shoots well!

Just wanted to say your photography is always fantastic and I enjoy it very much. I really like the way you pose your rifles and the image quality is better than what I see in most modern magazines.

Thanks for sharing! :cheers:
 
Love those old guns. I have an 1884 model that someone Bubba'd before I bought it. When I got it I thought it would be lucky to hit a 5 gal pail at 50 yds...was i wrong. I only shoot BP loads in it and it shoots 2.5 groups at 100yds all day. I even killed a 5x5 whitetail with it some years ago.
 
"...a 100 year old civil war weapon..." Post American Civil War. That one is worth between $1000 and $2000 US. A replica runs $1339Cdn at Marstar.
"...30 grains of IMR 3031 plus 1/4 teaspoon..." No teaspoons. My old Lyman book gives 34.0 to 39.0 of IMR3031 for a 405 grain jacketed bullet for a Trapdoor load. No cast 500 grain loads give with 3031.
 
My old Lyman book gives 34.0 to 39.0 of IMR3031 for a 405 grain jacketed bullet for a Trapdoor load. No cast 500 grain loads give with 3031.
Ken Waters Pet Loads lists up to 38.5 grains of IMR 3031 with a 518 grain cast bullet in original Trapdoor rifles. I like to stay down quite a bit lower when using cream of wheat.
 
Well, that was an interesting discussion because I just came across a Winnie 38-55 myself and thought there would be a lot of empty space in that cartridge for the smokeless load suggested. My 1894 was made in 1900 according to one of the websites I was looking at. Seems about right considering the serial no. Just looking at some loads for the old girl and will be ordering some boolits from Oma in the next while. This is going to be quite a bit of fun I think. Now I am thinking I should be looking for a 375Win to play with too so I can go up to just over 2000fps. I will be hanging around this site for the next while to pick up some more gems. Dont know anyone else loading for an old BP rig. I see some loads listed only one powder load to get to 1700 with warnings to go no higher. Can I trust these? No high or low load-just one. Thought that was odd but then I dont have a chrony yet so dont want to blow the old girl up either. 45-70 eh? A beaut.
 
soo...uhh?

do you use enough breakfast cereal to compress the load?....or just enough to fill the empty space?

Will Corn Flakes work?....how much milk?
 
Klunk, the cream of wheat is very slightly compressed so that there is no movement or mixture of the powder and cream of wheat.
 
I bought a Case of Weatlets :D they Work great in my 50 70 pistol loads and polish up a dark bore shiny and new looking.

I got em reduced there in like 500 Gram bags. Gota have Weatlets :dancingbanana:
 
One of the problems with using cream of wheat filler is that the fellows down wind keep smelling that nice toasted wheat smell and get hungry.:D
 
I might have to try the cream of wheat thing, I have an original 1888 as well, it's in almost as good of shape as yours based on the pic.

I've been using 40 grains of varget under a 530 gr cast bullet from the guy over in Prince Albert, they shoot quite well. I've been trying the same load with my own cast bullets and have had trouble with leading. I'm going to try gas checked bullets, if that doesn't work I am going to try using pure lead, right now I'm using straight wheel weights.

They sure are nice rifles, with an amazing sighting system. I just hope I can get some of my own bullets to shoot well.
 
Quote: "One of the problems with using cream of wheat filler is that the fellows down wind keep smelling that nice toasted wheat smell and get hungry."

Bet it smells a lot better than the 'burning sheep' odour from the carded wool in some of my old Snider loads. I tried to duplicate some loads from the old Brit List Of Changes info years ago, but that smell was just plain nasty !
 
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