Range Report - Howa 1500 .223 HBAR

F-Tang

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So a few weeks ago I posted about the new Howa 1500 .223 I got with a 20" heavy barrel 1:12" twist and a Nikko-Stirling Gameking 4-16x44 scope, and I said I'd post a range report when I got it out. Well thankfully today I got it out.
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Now, bear in mind that I suck at shooting. I've come to realize and accept this. This means no dime-sized groups, so if you were hoping for those sorry I suck so much. That'll be my next goal, I was kinda being rushed when doing my 5 shots with various ammo because they wanted to close up the range, so I couldn't really take super long to take the shots.

Anyway, breaking it in was a pain in the ass. The first relay I only fired 2 shots, and I only got 4 in the next 2 relays because I had to clean the gun in between each shot. It went a bit faster after that because I could fire 2 shots, but it still took a good 2 hours or so to break it in with 20 shots. I never really realized how dirty a gun can get after only 1 shot. Anyway, surprisingly the gun was on paper at 100 after only boresighting, so it wasn't too hard to adjust it while breaking it in. I broke it in with 50 grain Remington UMC HP. Here's the target of the 20 break-in shots.
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You can probably tell where the first 2 shots were, they're the major outliers. First shot was the one top-right.

After the break-in I got to shoot 5-shot groups of the various other kinds of ammo I brought, here's that target.
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The 45gr UMC HP I was actually aiming at the bullseye, so it was still a bit to the right. For the 53gr Hornady V-Max in the top-left I brought it in another 3 clicks to the left and it was shooting pretty much where I was aiming, unless I jerked the trigger, which happened for basically every group here at least once. The 75gr Hornady Super Match in the top-right surprised me. It's keyholing, but still hitting basically where I'm aiming it at 100y. However, I learned that jerking the trigger really accentuates any errors with a keyholing bullet, but I'm just surprised it even hit. Bottom-right is 55gr Remington Core-Lokt. Nothing to write home about, but like I said, I was being rushed. Bottom-left is 55gr Chinese 5.56mm bulk. Noticeable difference in the report of the gun firing this, it was much louder.

So I still have at least another 15 rounds of each of these, and another 20 of the 50gr UMC I used to sight it in, so some other day when I'm not being rushed to pack up and go home I'll have to really take my time and line up shots with noticeable things to aim at (aiming at blank space can be hard) and see if I can't shoot better. But as it stands now, I'm confident that this gun is sighted in, and the only problem with my groups is me.
 
you might want to get a bench rest to see what the rifle really is capable of with the ammo, if one type of ammo is capable of tight groups but your not set up at the bench very well to take very accurate shots it's gonna be hard to see what is shooting best and you'll be going through a lot of ammo to find the best one, and then you'll still be unsure of yourself to some degree.

I mean no disrespect by my comment, I just suspect you would benefit like shooting from sandbags or similar, theres many folks out there, that if they could only get groups as small as what you are getting they would be putting the rifle up for sale to get something else, and it's hard for us to see how good that howa is based on your groups.

Again, no offence intended.
 
I already said I suck, no offense taken. I was shooting off a rest already, I just have a bad tendency to jerk the trigger and I can be rather impatient. I was shooting too fast, and my groups suffered from it. Like I said, I'll need to go out again sometime and take my time, I was being rushed this time and so I was rushing. I posted this because I said I'd post a report of some kind when I got the chance to shoot it.

To be honest, this is the best I've ever shot.

The 45gr UMC was the best group of them all, and that's partially because I had a discernible target, the bullseye. Next time I go to shoot, I'll shoot at something with multiple places to aim, since like I mentioned, aiming at nothing and hitting it is hard. A previous bullet-hole is a bit too small of a target for me, who still has poor breathing control and an itchy trigger finger, and I didn't think to put up patches in the corners to aim at.
 
F-Tang I don't think you suck at shooting at all to be honest I think the best load you had was what you were able to put on paper.
I hear people say this at the range once in a while and sometimes I will have one of my target rifles with me or very well tuned hunting rifle and I will offer them to take a few shots'
If the wind aint blowing 50 miles an hour I have yet to see someone not give me back the gun and say WOW most times the gun isn't tuned , I think you should be able to work up a decent load and have it shoot satisfactorily even if it isn't a target gun.
Check to make sure everything is tight and a marker works good to make an aiming point
 
Fwiw, I think these are one of the most underrated guns on the market. Mine, identical to the one above, but in a aftermarket stock, with basic 55 grain sp handloads will do well under an inch @ 100 yards. Love everything about it, but may look into one of those detachable magazine kits. It's deadly as all get out in the gopher fields.
 
All that cleaning doesn't help groups either. I'm on the wagon that thinks barrel break in is fooey. When I get a new rifle, I clean out all the junk from the bore, and just shoot it. It'll get better for ya!
 
Fwiw, I think these are one of the most underrated guns on the market. Mine, identical to the one above, but in a aftermarket stock, with basic 55 grain sp handloads will do well under an inch @ 100 yards. Love everything about it, but may look into one of those detachable magazine kits. It's deadly as all get out in the gopher fields.

Planning on it, but I need to see how hard tuition and my discipline of study leather jacket are going to dent my bank account first. Still, I'm waiting on a few hundred in various government rebates that I haven't gotten yet since I filed my taxes late, so when those come I may be able to afford a kit and a few mags.
 
I take it the rifle has a 1:12 twist, the 75 gr bullets showed significant yaw at impact, so are too long for that barrel to stabilize. From each of your 5 shot groups, there are 3 that want to group, so try shooting 3 shot groups for a while and see if that improves your performance. Your shooting will improve over time. Between range trips, you should dry fire at home. Begin by aiming at a small object, and attempt to break the shot without moving the cross hair off target. Once you've mastered that, balance a coin on the muzzle and attempt to dry fire without upsetting the coin; start with a quarter, then a nickel, then a penny, and finally a dime. At first you won't believe that its possible to dry fire without upsetting the coin, but it is, you just have to stick with it. Position, breathing, sighting, and trigger control are the foundation of good shooting.
 
Your shooting will improve over time. Between range trips, you should dry fire at home. Begin by aiming at a small object, and attempt to break the shot without moving the cross hair off target. Once you've mastered that, balance a coin on the muzzle and attempt to dry fire without upsetting the coin; start with a quarter, then a nickel, then a penny, and finally a dime. At first you won't believe that its possible to dry fire without upsetting the coin, but it is, you just have to stick with it. Position, breathing, sighting, and trigger control are the foundation of good shooting.

^ You will improve. I have that same rifle in .308 and its the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. Howa's are very nice and that is a strong, well made action (the tiny bolt stop being the only thing I would improve). Enjoy it.
 
To improve your shooting try printing out some of the various free targets on the internet. I found that by trial and error I sshoot best at diamond shaped targets. It helps to have definitive aiming points, I put 2 or 4 diamonds on a regular sheet of paper. Focus on the target and sight picture not just the crosshairs.

Can you get to the range when there is more time between cease fires? It sucks to be rushed and being rushed when you know you tend to rush your shots is a double whammy. The very best way to get better accuracy is to shoot more often.

I like your choice of rifle, I'm considering going that route myself. Congrats on the new rig, keep enjoying it.


Willy
 
Three things come to mind that will shrink your groups.

1. Get a better aiming mark. Targets are free on the Internet. I like the diamond one found here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-groups-all-day-long-challenge!-Revised-Rules!



2. Dry fire at home. Put your sandbags on a table and aim at a mark and dry fire each day. Try to sett eh trigger off without your finger upsetting the aim. I used to aim out a window on the far side of the room, so no one outside could see me.

3. Buy a box of match ammo loaded with 68 or 69 gr match bullets. This will tell you how you and the rifle are doing.

Good for you for breaking in the barrel. Did you notice how the first few rounds fouled the barrel badly, but after about 10 shots the fouling stopped?
 
I mostly just noticed how much crap one shot leaves behind in the bore, I was surprised. I never realized one round could leave it so dirty.

I think I'll consider getting some snap-caps and practicing at home, then maybe try and find some good crown land in the fall. Bit of a drive from Toronto though, no matter where the crown land is.
 
3. Buy a box of match ammo loaded with 68 or 69 gr match bullets. This will tell you how you and the rifle are doing.

Kind of heavy for a 1in12 isn't it?

I liked the old howa I had, but I'm not big on a the hogue stock. I'm really considering a howa mini action, if they come out with one in .17hornet, sold.

So I still have at least another 15 rounds of each of these, and another 20 of the 50gr UMC I used to sight it in,
The umc group looks promising. You might not be able to brag about it, but it'd certainly drop a coyote.
 
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How do you know your barrel is 1:12 twist? Does it say it on the barrel?
I bought a howa 1500 223 a year ago and was told by sales person it was 1:12 twist.ok.
a year later im looking on legacysports.com for new models and find at the bottom of there model list a link to their twist rates and there 223's are 1:9, so I youtube how to check barrel twist and sure as sh@ its 1:9.

Just thought I'd share the info
 
How do you know your barrel is 1:12 twist? Does it say it on the barrel?
I bought a howa 1500 223 a year ago and was told by sales person it was 1:12 twist.ok.
a year later im looking on legacysports.com for new models and find at the bottom of there model list a link to their twist rates and there 223's are 1:9, so I youtube how to check barrel twist and sure as sh@ its 1:9.

Just thought I'd share the info
It should say on the barrel. If not, use a cleaning rod and measure how far it takes to turn it one turn while you push it down the bore.
 
^ You will improve. I have that same rifle in .308 and its the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. Howa's are very nice and that is a strong, well made action (the tiny bolt stop being the only thing I would improve). Enjoy it.

Bolt stop in the .223 is pretty stout...close to 3/4" longer then the '08 based cases to shorten the stroke to .223 mag length.
 
How do you know your barrel is 1:12 twist? Does it say it on the barrel?
I bought a howa 1500 223 a year ago and was told by sales person it was 1:12 twist.ok.
a year later im looking on legacysports.com for new models and find at the bottom of there model list a link to their twist rates and there 223's are 1:9, so I youtube how to check barrel twist and sure as sh@ its 1:9.

Just thought I'd share the info

The newer Howas are 1:9 for 223. If in doubt, call Legacy sports as they are the importer and they will tell you based on your serial number. Mine was imported in 2010, and has the 1:12 twist
 
F-tang...... Nice rig, and I like your humility.....

As for practice, I like to teach my boys using a laser pointer taped to the barrel.... Get them to dry fire and see how little th y can make the dot jump....

Also, if you are jerking the trigger, you are likely either trying to "make then rifle fire" or are anticipating the shot.... .223 has next to no recoil..... So nothing to be afraid of.... When I first started out, the best advice I was given was to let the rifle surprise me when it went off..... Slowly squeeze while maintaining point of aim and let the trigger break where it breaks.... Soon enough you will learn where the break is and what the take up feels like in your rifle and eventually you will have developed enough muscle memory that the yank will be gone....
 
I sold the scope and rings that came with my package Howa without even mounting them....questionable quality stuff.
I looked forever for a non-package 6.5x55 but could only find the package version.
 
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