Range report Swiss Arms CQB

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Check page one and you will see that JMB has already verified the shoot. I used to be able to do this at 500 yds with a HK-93 ( open sights ) ( about a 5 inch group ) but my eyes have gone to hell and now need a scope for long distance and use my Classic Green with the factory Stanag mount with a 6x Hensoldt for that. I was impressed with the accuracy of the short barrel. Sight picture is excellent even with the short sighting radius.
Hope you got a title for that land..LOL
 
venom_bullet said:
:eek:Ok someone has to verify this cause if its true I will sell everything that I have to get a CQB. I could see you doing this a t 50 yrds with irons but a 125 open sights with a CQB...... I am gonna have to say if you believe that I have some ocean front property in Arizona that I would like to sell ya. :nest:
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Well I can't shoot that with irons but I can shoot 5 round groups around 2" at 200m with a 3 power scope using a front bag - all day long. For a short barrel rifle it is amazing how accurate it is!!:eek:

Mine's up for sale (shameless plug:redface:) http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=462073. Need the funds for a big ticket item that I just pulled the trigger on :cool: But I can see myself pulling a UW and having regret and replacing it very soon.
 
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With all due respect, I find a sub-1" MOA at 125 yards with a CQB.....iron sights to boot - a tad unbelievable. Thats the nicest way I can put it. Perhaps after 50 or 100 rounds you might get 3 in close proximity, but 3/3 - not too likely - anomolous really. If you really did that, I bid you congratulations! Cheers!
 
rigrat, here's some moral support. I shot this group out of a Swiss Arms CQB, ya only 5 shots, first and only 5 shots with hornady 75 gr match, was all over the paper with 55 gr AE and PMC, couldn't get nothing to group prior so tried this ammo. Didn't use the irons used an Aimpoint comp M4, 100M distance. Sorry about the flyer.

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promac, seeing is believing, I don't find it in the least bit unbelievable, have you seen the factory targets that come with the rifles, mind you they only shoot at 300M with iron sights.
 
Rig rat one day when I'm not working you have to show me how to shoot mine that good as I have not had such luck with Irons & PMC... I do have some Ruag but have been hoarding it. Where in Alberta are you located???, if not comfy with putting it out there just drop me a PM!!!
 
For the Non Believers

Rigrat had myself and Buffolo as witness to his shooting this group ,and many more like it and with many types of firearms over the years.
Sometimes it`s true ,some guys can really shoot well . Like he said come on over and bring the title,don`t be scared. What do you folks think about having a shoot at the Rocky Rod and Gun Club ? 1100 acres of fun ,room for the family and friends .


Shaun.
 
JMB said:
Rigrat had myself and Buffolo as witness to his shooting this group ,and many more like it and with many types of firearms over the years.
Sometimes it`s true ,some guys can really shoot well . Like he said come on over and bring the title,don`t be scared. What do you folks think about having a shoot at the Rocky Rod and Gun Club ? 1100 acres of fun ,room for the family and friends .


Shaun.
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1100 acres? Now we KNOW you guys are full of it! :eek:

1100 acres? :eek:SWEET!:eek:
 
I had a non-restricted Classic Green before. The diopter sights are excellenton that model. These guns are very accurate once you match a bullet to the rifle. For those that don't believe, I'm sorry you were raised on the utter disappointment of AR based rifles without $3k of added mods. Factory Swissarms cost primo coin for a reason. Because you don't have to add a thing to make them shoot like you do with AR's.
 
JasonS said:
I had a non-restricted Classic Green before. The diopter sights are excellenton that model. These guns are very accurate once you match a bullet to the rifle. For those that don't believe, I'm sorry you were raised on the utter disappointment of AR based rifles without $3k of added mods. Factory Swissarms cost primo coin for a reason. Because you don't have to add a thing to make them shoot like you do with AR's.
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The AR platform is inherently more accurate out of the box - sorry, but the truth hurts.
 
AR's more accurate out of the box? Some maybe, some not.

Not in my experience. I still get 1 moa out of my Classic Green, with nearly any ammo. Some AR's can, some can't. All Swiss Arms have an accuracy standard from the factory. Many AR's do as well, with a different price tag than the ones that don't.

Rich
 
beltfed said:
The AR platform is inherently more accurate out of the box - sorry, but the truth hurts.
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Common there are way too many AR type rifles to make that sort of sweeping generalization. You do realize that you're comparing a $3000 rifle to things as cheap as a Norc when you say that.


Perhaps high-end ARs are inherently more accurate, but not ever AR.
 
beltfed said:
I never mentioned reliability, so role your eyes back into your head.
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You made a general statement about AR's that is flat out false. They are good tools, some are great some are not, but in all the platform has been excellent but to make a general statement that AR's are more accurate out of the box than swiss arms is simply false, misleading, a lie and down right ignorant. Why the need to mislead fine folks who are interested in Swiss arms and the inherent accuracy of the system?
 
Regardless of Rigrat's original post, (good shooting T) the comparison to an AR is valid. If one was to take a $3000 Swiss rifle and compare it with pretty well any manufacturer's $3000 AR, I think there would be some fun with the discussion.

As a lot of prolific shooters would agree with, if anyone can maintain a 2 MOA over any course of fire, that shooter would win every match they enter.

I'm thinking there are a lot of sub $3000 rifles capable of shooting 2 MOA. The Norinco ARs and the quality AKs (read Swiss rifle) will most certainly do it.

So my point is, get what you are happy with, and shoot the friggin thing. Come back here, brag about it, and have some fun guys.

Now, which is better 45 acp or 9 mm?
 
koldt, the swiss arms is one platform with one type of barrel, AR's have a variety of variables from manufacturer to manufacturer and thus vary in price and quality and accuracy, the swiss arms don't so to compare a multitude of AR's against one rifle is just not a knowledgeable comparison. 45 to 9 mm is again not the same comparison, if you were to say compare the swiss arms to one manu and style of ar then the comparo's could be made with certainty. Beltfeds boneheaded comment would mean every 300 ar norc could outshoot a SAN at 10 times the prices... He may believe that but the real world knows better. Some tweaked AR' are one holers at 100M we all know that, SAN's aren't we know that too. What we all also know is we don't need wingnuts making stupid claims and not backing it up with facts, unlike the OP did, He went out shot a nice rifle, shot an excellent group and showed us. Great post and started a great thread
 
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