Range report: Winchester 30-30 with photos

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Well men, I was getting a little stir-crazy in my office, and I realized I hadn't been getting enough range time. At lunch hour, I headed down the road to the range to try out three different loads. Here's the report.

The levergun: A Winchester model 94, 30-30, made in 1954. It is the only gun I have a name for .... Old Savage. It is a good name, and fitting for the Canadian wilderness, where it will be my camp gun when canoeing and camping with my wife and kids in remote areas. I'm also hoping to bag a deer with it come fall. Here's a photo I took after getting back from the range ...
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The three loads that were tried:
Load #1: 177 grain hard cast gas check bullet over 27 grains of IMR 3031. These bullets had fat butts and I couldn't get the gas checks on all the way. I got them half way on, but the bottoms of the gas checks were a bit concave. I couldn't even hammer them on without mushing the bullet. I wasn't sure what this would do for accuracy, but I wasn't betting the farm on spectacular results.
Load #2: 150 grain, gas check bullet over 30 grains of IMR 3031
Load #3: 150 grain Speer JFP over 30 grains of IMR 3031.
All charges were plus or minus half a grain (my dadgummed powder measure has a hard time with IMR 3031. Someday, I need to try RL 7.)

Results for Load #1:
This load chrono'd at 1,989 fps, with an E.S. of 114 fps and a S.D. of 37 fps. Ten shots were fired at the target below. As you can see, this load was no great shakes. One shot didn't even hit the paper .... matter of fact, I couldn't even find it on the spanking new back board, which extended beyond the paper about 6" all around. I figure this is a bad load, but I think it is primarily due to the fact that I couldn't get the gas checks all the way on. The butts were too fat for those thick Hornady gas checks. Here's the target (the bullet in the photo has the gas check beside it because I used up all the ones that I managed to get the copper diaper on) ....
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Results for Load #2:
This load chrono'd at 2,236 fps, with an E.S. of 98 fps and a S.D. of 34 fps.
Shown below is the first 5-shot group I fired. As you can see, this is a big improvement over load #1. I'm glad about this, because I have a bucket of about 900 of these bullets. This will be my load until I've used them all up. Here's a photo. Again, the as check is beside the bullet in the photo, because I'd used all the ones up that I'd diapered. ....
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Results for Load #3:
This load chrono'd at 2,185 fps, with an E.S. of 62 fps and a S.D. of 20 fps. It's always interesting to see how a jacketed bullet goes slower than a cast bullet for the same powder charge. Notice that the E.S. and S.D. is down a bit as well. I'm guessing this is due to the higher resistance of the jacketed bullet raising the pressure a bit, causing more consistent burning. Anyway, I fired 10 shots at the target below. Here's the photo .....
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It's nice when a cast bullet equals or beats a jacketed bullet. For you boys who don't think you can use a cast bullet at 2,235 fps and get as good results as with a jacketed, take another look at the photos of the two 150 grain bullets and their targets.

Concluding thoughts:
All the above targets were shot with me sitting at a bench, holding my 30-30, with my forearm hand resting on my shooting bag and my elbow resting on the bench. I was using open iron sights, and I'm out of practice. I figure that Load #2 (the 150 grain cast GC bullet) will group tighter than this, with a little practice. I did some offhand shooting with load #2 as well. At 100 yards, only about 60% of the bullets were in the black and 80% would have been killing shots on a deer at that distance. All this to say that I need some practice with this carbine, and I'm looking forward to practicing offhand shooting for the remainder of the summer. I find shooting a carbine, with its shorter sight radius and light barrel, is more challenging to shoot offhand than some of my old Winchester rifles with a longer, heavier octagon barrel.
 
So, after all that shooting, you can say that only one shot would not have killed what you were shooting at.
Nice report.

I think the carbine takes some shooting to get the nack of, and I'm way out of practice too. At one time, my carbine was capable of 2" groups, with a Williams FP receiver sight, and factory bead front. I don't think I can see well enough now to do it. Lacking the range time too, I'll have to do something about that.
 
Have you considered submitting articles like this to gun magazines for publication ??

I think that you should. You are very talented.

Good work. Thanks.
 
Well, thanks for the encouragement, Colin. I did submit one article and it actually got published. That was about 14 years ago. I haven't had the time since to write another one. I do have one other article on the Winchester Model 1876 that has been published online. If you go here http://home.comcast.net/~parslowb/2007/04/winchester-1876-src-nwmp-reproduction.html
and then scroll down to the bottom of the page, you'll see a link to online articles. Mine is titled 'The Winchester Model 1876'. Click on that and you'll get a pdf of the article. It has some nice photos of some original 1876's.
 
Win 38/55:

If you anneal the gas checks (heat them in a pan until they turn blackish ) you can then make a little tool to flare the checks a bit. A short piece of steel of the right approximate diameter can be chucked in a drill and a short radius filed on one end. Set the check on a piece of hardwood and use a light hammer and your new home made tool to flare the check a bit. If you are using a lube sizer the checks will be sized back to correct dimension when lubeing and they will normally crimp on the bullet better than ever as the softened check will have virtually no spring back. Annealing does not affect the efficiency of the gas check in any manner that I can detect except to make them better (tighter crimping) and I normally anneal every gas check I use although only a couple of my moulds produce bullets that require flaring of the checks as well.

Takes a bit of time to do both but the results warrant doing it.
 
I posted this on another forum and a fellow there pointed out that the dark bullets that I had a hard time getting the gas checks on appeared to be moly coated, using a hard wax-type coating. This appears to be the case, as the bullets seem to be coated with a hard waxy substance. A fellow from California sent them to me along with a lot of other stuff, so they are of unknown origin. I have no trouble installing Hornady gas checks on my other cast 30-30 bullets, just these particular dark waxy ones. I don't plan to use the rest, but will melt them down, skim of the moly, and cast something useful out of them.
 
Nice report.
I think the carbine takes some shooting to get the nack of. At one time, my carbine was capable of 2" groups, with a Williams FP receiver sight, and factory bead front.
=Formula for success in the field

I have the same set-up, & I am sure many other 30-30 hunters here, do so as well.
PS I also found that changing the original brass bead for the smaller, fibre optic "Fire Site" made by Williams too, was a considerable help for slightly more precious shooting.

Cheers..........:)
 
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