Range Reports for Tavors with the new Geissele Triggers? Anyone?

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Hello, I have been scouring the web trying to find a range report on the new triggers and I can't find if there is any accuracy improvement with the triggers. I've held off paying the cash for one in case there is no accuracy upside. Has anyone with a Geissele installed seen an increase in accuracy potential? Thanks for any input.
 
The trigger does not directly effect the accuracy or in-accuracy of a rifle. Rather it will effect the out come of the users ability to accurately land the shots where intended.

The only thing that a trigger can do to effect the accuracy is help you not screw up, that being said, my off hand shots are noticeably more accurate, but that is because it in helping to compensate for my lack of marksmanship.
 
Well put! A trigger will not affect the inherent accuracy of the firearm. It will (might!) make that inherent accuracy easier to attain. I feel that my Timney trigger in my Tavor makes it much easier gun to shoot well.
 
Ya was well worth the money to me to make the tavor easier to shoot off hand and at range. As the trigger was really my only complaint against the riffle. Had zero issue shooting rough surplus norinco ammo as well as american eagle cheapo stuff. Haven't been to range to really test rifle and trigger pack but I undoubtedly think it will help me get better groups with the rifle.
 
I must say I have to agree with that statement, but only to a degree. If you had the rifle in a vice, the trigger still wouldn't effect the inherent accuracy.

But I guess in the broad sense if your not being to technical as I just was, then maybe you will see an accuracy boost that is not related to a compensation for lack of skill...
 
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this is how you sand bag bench shoot a tavor for groups.

block of wood and 2 bags supporting handguard
2 bags off center to each other supporting the grip
1 folded bag supporting the butt.
 
Well I will not comment on the accuracy effects of the trigger but I will say that I had a chance to use one tonight and it is much lighter than the original trigger. The take up is about the same but the break is crisp with a solid reset. With a little practice it will be a very controllable trigger without the strain of the stock trigger.

I will be putting one in my Tavor as soon as I can.
 
So if accuracy potential is not influenced by trigger weight, then presumably there is no threshold where it would affect it. The stock Tavor is well over 10 pounds, the Super Sabra is roughly 5 pounds. Thats over double, yet if accuracy potential is not effected by trigger pull weight then an increase to 20 pounds would also have no effect. Somehow I don't think this is correct. The trigger is a fundamental part of the human/machine interface. I am no expert obviously, but if the trigger has no bearing on accuracy, then why is it that on precision rifles, we tend to see high end, light triggers?
 
I put the Timmeny in my first Gen.
The original trigger was hard, squishy, and somewhat gritty. Just as a bullpup battle rifle trigger would be expected. The Timmeny, however is short, crisp, and smooth. Much easier to be consistent. I haven't shot with it yet, but already I'm certain it will be a great improvement.
I will give a full report after my first range trip.
 
You can literally SEE a firearm move back or back/up when you pull a heavy trigger. I find the effect more pronounced with handguns, but rifles have to be physically "squeezed" harder and I find that the action of that "extra" squeeze causes variations on the stability of the gun and its exact location before each shot, adding to the variation shot to shot.
 
fortis risk said:
So if accuracy potential is not influenced by trigger weight, then presumably there is no threshold where it would affect it. The stock Tavor is well over 10 pounds, the Super Sabra is roughly 5 pounds. Thats over double, yet if accuracy potential is not effected by trigger pull weight then an increase to 20 pounds would also have no effect. Somehow I don't think this is correct. The trigger is a fundamental part of the human/machine interface. I am no expert obviously, but if the trigger has no bearing on accuracy, then why is it that on precision rifles, we tend to see high end, light triggers?
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Accuracy is a three legged stool when you remove the environmental factors.
Mechanical or I suppose 'theoretical' accuracy of any firearm judged when you eliminate the human element (so judging rifle and ammo combination only).
It is important to know what it can and cannot do insofar as judging the potential of the whole package when put together with the shooter - 'practical' accuracy.
If for example a rifle and ammo combo are good for 4 moa and when combining the shooter it is 6moa then the shooter is printing in the 2 moa range.
A decent overall way of keeping track of skills progression, upkeep or degradation.
If it is capable of 4moa, and nothing more, it at least points to either ammo or the rifle mechanism.
 
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In my opinion rifle accuracy, at distances of 100 yards and greater, is affected by 4 things in order of importance:
1 Shooter
2 Barrel and chamber
3 Environmental factors (rain, snow, air pressure and moisture, wind, temperature)
4 Trigger

You can do something about 1 and 4, nothing to be done about 2 and 3
 
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I find it quite strange that there doesn't seem to be any range reports with regard to accuracy and these new triggers. Nobody seems to actually shoot these guns after the triggers go in. Was all the money spent on the trigger leaving nothing for ammo, or do we now more accessorize our guns than shoot them?
 
Life gets in the way of living. I am just finishing a drainage/landscaping project in my yard that has topped out over $8,000 dealing with the City's water that flooded our crawlspace last January.
Over $15,000 damage. City wasn't helping at all, still hiring engineers to decide how to proceed.
In the meantime, I had to do something proactive about it for this winter.
Been digging, and moving gravel since August.
I have a new trigger, and optic to sight in. It's killing me I don't have time to drive 1.5 hours to the range.
I hope to get there soon though. I'll let you know.
 
I always thought or heard that a better trigger often reduces the lock time of a gun and in doing so , allowing the shot to get off quicker, will enhance the accuracy by getting the bullet out of the gun before you can physically move it by yourself. I wish I was more eloquent, then I wouldn't appear like an ape while trying to explain something. I guess that's another reason why teachers should be paid more money. It's not easy to say something that sounds easy.
 
fortis risk said:
I find it quite strange that there doesn't seem to be any range reports with regard to accuracy and these new triggers. Nobody seems to actually shoot these guns after the triggers go in. Was all the money spent on the trigger leaving nothing for ammo, or do we now more accessorize our guns than shoot them?
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I haven't because none of Mikethebike's list of quality Tavor ammo exists in my local shop and I don't knows I really have the patience, or the will to spend my money on making small groups instead of havung fun plinking. I know Mikethebike was planning to do some more testing this January with his Timney.
 
Of the three available triggers for the Tavor are any single stage?

I know that the Geissele is a 2 stage, Timney doesn't list on their site if it single stage or not and the Tav-D is also a 2 stage.

I really prefer single stage triggers but I was very impressed with the Geissele trigger as were several other Tavor owners at the range yesterday who got to try it.
 
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