Range Testing a Stevens in 223 with new PAC NOR barrel.

Jerry,

Any updates?

I've been out with my Stevens .308 and have commenced working up a load for my return to LR rifle shooting.

I have it shooting about 0.70 at 100 yards with 155 scenars, federal 110s and H4350.

I am ordering a sss trigger for it tomorrow.

The flowers must be up out there now, aren't they?

V7
 
Just a couple of thoughts...
Did you ever try any lighter ...maybe 69gr. Sierras or Bergers?
What were the scope specs..make, power and reticle?
Fantastic series! Really makes one think about the dogma on barrel break in and cleaning routines.
Keep up the good work!
 
The weather here has been horrid for the last 3 wks. I was able to get out yesterday just to get the cobwebs out of the pipes.

Will try and get out for a formal test at 200yds and will post my results soon.

I have not bothered testing any other bullet as I have no use for them. For LR, the highest BC bullets pushed as fast as possible are of interest to me. In this pipe, that is the 75gr Amax.

I have not tried the Sierra's because their BC is lower then the Amax, cost more, and (depending on the lot) need to be sorted. I am also not trying Bergers due to cost and availability.

I hope to receive a Pac Nor barrel soon and will test the 80gr Amax in these.

viper7, where are you ordering your trigger from?

Jerry
 
I was going to order from Sharp Shooter Supply, unless there is a CGN sponsor or other Canadian dealer...:confused:

Here's my oldest trying her out a few days ago:

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This morning was calm and cool. Great time to shoot. Snuck out to shoot a couple of groups at 200yds.

Since last time testing at 100yds, I am using a new lot of bullets so started over with load development, gone back to uncoated bullets (had to scrub out the moly in the bore), and having to adjust for the much warmer temps.

Figuring out that I hadn't cleaned the moly enough lead to quite a bit of irratic and inconsistent groups. A few minutes with JB bore brite and the moly is gone.

With it being cool this morning and with a cleaned barrel, I put two down the pipe into the backstop then settled in for a group using 25.9gr of H4350.

As you can see in Group A, it shot OK. Center to center of that 5 shot group is 5/8" and I know I pushed shot 5 left. Might have been 1/2". That group maintains the 3/8MOA accuracy I was getting at 100yds. This rifle shoots!

This is where a good quality scope with high mag and resolution helps. I know from the target vs the reticle, I am loosing about 1/16" to 1/8" in consistency at 200yds. Meaning that I am 'missing' the exact POA by that much. If you have a scope with poor resolution or very thick reticle and/or low mag, your visual accuity will be worse affecting your aiming precision.

This is why BR shooters are overboosting their scopes to 42X and higher and use super thin reticles and aiming dots. You want your aiming error to be smaller then your mechanical accuracy or else you cannot shoot consistently to the potential of your rifle. Using a target that matches your reticle helps alot too.

You can't hit what you can't see....

Although I am using an Extreme powder, there is always small adjustments that are needed to account for large swings in ambient temp. With the last batch of Amax in the cold, 26.2gr uncoated was the best load at 100yds.

As you can see in group B, this load is now too hot. Yes, the first two cut but the other 3 shots show clear signs of going over the sweet spot in the barrel (plus one case was a smidge stiff to extract). The new lot of bullet might also be a smidge different adding to the need for a load change. Either way, I always start over with a major component change. Good thing I still have over 400 bullets of this lot.

The load of 25.9/26.0gr will be what I shoot. Might take another peek as we get into the summer and temps exceed 25C. Maybe a drop of a couple of tenths might be needed then???

Since this is not a BR rifle, I am stopping group testing. It is certainly more then accurate enough for a coyote or varmint rifle. Testing at 200yds is where I make a decision on well a rifle shoots. If there are problems with a load or rifle, it will show up here quite dramatically.

The fact that the first group shot under ideal conditions shows it will maintain accuracy, indicates the limiting factor is my ability to shoot and dope the wind.

Now to go pound some clays way out there (no PD's here). Will post how it does at distances exceeding 800yds.



I had three 25.9gr shells left so after shooting Group B and with a pretty warm barrel, I shot the last three. You can see from Group C that the group size grew substantially with a fair amount of horizontal dispersion.

Now some of that could be because the front bag is too wide but since this load just shot a 5/8" group, the load is not the main issue - barrel heat is. Those last three shots were rds 13 to 15 fired inside 15mins.

I know that sporter factory barrels tend to walk as they heat up. Some go from accurate to spray and pray. This barrel is no exception. I didn't have time or ammo to wait to test from a cool barrel but know it would return to small groups once cooled (enough testing at 100yds to prove that to myself).

Simply put, this barrel shoots 3/8MOA accuracy until it heats up but will still maintain MOA at a pretty toasty temp - not bad at all for a factory pipe. As this will never be a high volume poodle popper, that problem is moot. Cold barrel POI have been dead on which is what you need in a coyote/hunting rifle.

Something to keep in mind if you try working up a load with a hot barrel. The results you are getting are likely wrong and a poor reflection of the potential of that barrel. Keep things cool as much as possible.

To all that have followed this little post, I hope that this will help you tune your rifles. Also, show you the potential of these rather inexpensive rifles.

For all those that sent their kind comments, thanks. It's appreciated.

Weather is warming up so dust off your toys and get out there.

Now to go put up a target and shoot some hostages...I mean kidnappers.

Jerry

PS Stay tuned for the next project rifle based off this action. A 223 sniper/F(F/TR) rifle.
 
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Great stuff Jerry!

Takes alot of the guess work out of it for us New Stevens owners!

Let us know how the 800yd clay shooting goes!!

Im gonna start working with H4350 this weekend!

Mike
 
I also got to try it and had a good grouping as well.I dont think Jerry is going to let Frozen snake shoot his guns anymore.
 
Me the nice guy. Let these two shoot my rifle and they both do better then me.

I got to learn how to shoot of the pod.

Nice shooting gents.

If you want, you can shoot the postal match with this rifle. Love to see a Stevens clean house.

Jerry
 
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Hey Jerry, I've been shooting mine off the pod. I usually try to put a little pressure forward on the rifle. This makes the pod more stable and the shots repeatable. Prone on the ground it's easy to catch the pod's legs on grass or dirt and apply forward pressure. Off the bench the legs have a tendency to slide so I use a sandbag in front of them. The pressure is very light, just enough to make a more stable platform. And they said I would never use any of the stuff I learned in the Army...

Troutseeker
 
troutseeker, thanks for the info. Did a bunch of pod shooting yesterday and my consistency did improve. Practise, practise, practise.

The barrel has seen over 90rds since the last cleaning and is still putting them into the same 3/8ish MOA group at 100yds. I will likely give the bore a quick dry swab today before launching some more rds at LR.

I don't think my pipe needs to be cleaned too often. So much for Savage barrels being bad foulers.

Jerry
 
Mike, will not be shooting at paper as the 200yds have shown me all I need to know. The rifle will hold 3/8 MOA at 200yds with no vertical stringing, the load is stable as far as I want to go.

Because of the winds I shoot in, it is more a function of my ability to hit then the abilities of the rifle. Clays at 700ish yds is no problem IF I can dope the wind.

I should be out this afternoon to do some LR plinking (getting ready for our shoot). Will see how it works. I don't expect any surprises.

Will post my results.

Jerry
 
A great day blasting away at long range. Started at 515yds, then 735yds, finally 900yds. Shot very well. consistent and accurate. At the lesser ranges, hitting a clay would be just a function of getting the wind right.

At 900yds, it was bounced around a bit in the breeze. About 1/2 the shots were right on though so am pleased.

So the long range ability of this rifle and load is excellent.

For better or worse, I chronied the load. To my surprise and dismay, the load is only shooting 2600fps average. No where near as fast as I was expecting.

However, it did shoot very well so will just have to live with the higher drop and wind drift.

Will adjust my scope to have a further zero so that I can shoot out to 1000m without holding over.

It did kick up some dirt even at 900yds so would still do in PD at that range. A 22/250 would be better but that is another story.

For those coming up to Summerland in a couple of weeks, you will get to see and shoot this rifle.

Jerry

PS after shooting over 100rds, I decided to clean the barrel (was still shooting great). There was quite a bit of powder fouling but ZERO copper. I'm impressed.
 
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Jerry,

My Stevens 200 that Bill Leeper rechambered to 223 Ackley gets a solid 3000+ with the 75 A-Max and H335.

That is in the original factory barrel. It too seems to just go and go without metal fouling. I honestly don't know how many rounds is through this tube. It has never seen any copper solvent, just a quick swab with Kroil at the end of each shooting session to take care of the powder residue and that's it!

Ted
 
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Jerry,

My Stevens 200 that Bill Leeper rechambered to 223 Ackley gets a solid 3000+ with the 75 A-Max and H335.

That is in the original factory barrel. It too seems to just go and go without metal fouling. I honestly don't know how many rounds is through this tube. It has never seen any copper solvent, just a quick swab with Kroil at the end of each shooting session to take care of the powder residue and that's it!

Ted


Wow! Thats impressive! What kind of accuracy are you getting with the AI?
 
The rifle shoots everything under an inch. The 75 AMax are right around 3/4, the 40 gr Ballistic tips group 1/2 at 3900 fps!

Not any serious BR techniques at all, just the factory stock, rested over a used-pair-of-jeans sandbag. :D

Ted
 
Ted, that is great performance.

I was expecting to be at least 2850 but more like 2900+fps with the amount of H4350 I am using. Wonderfully accurate but the extra wind drift and drop will be annoying.

Will look at using some faster powder. Got a lb of Benchmark to use. Might retest Varget and see if the flyers still occur.

SAAMI is listed as 3000fps with Varget in a 24" barrel (assumed as was not listed in the Lee manual). There are no shortage of shooters that have reached and exceeded this velocity in longish barrels. Just need to find the right combo.

Maybe give up a bit of accuracy for reduced wind drift at distance.

Jerry
 
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