Ranger, Ross M10
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The Ross Rilfe Story.
You can see where the same text is repeated.
WWII Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR) is not mentioned, even though it mentions the Rangers where formed in 1947.
Only marks on outside of stock is a D on the tang area.
Some marks on the foraward action screw seat.
You can see where the same text is repeated.
WWII Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR) is not mentioned, even though it mentions the Rangers where formed in 1947.
Only marks on outside of stock is a D on the tang area.
Some marks on the foraward action screw seat.
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Ross
Any serial number on leftside chamber? If so, would indicate Home guard rifle. Otherwise rightside butt would have cartouche and several markings which often got sanded off over the years.
Geoff
Any serial number on leftside chamber? If so, would indicate Home guard rifle. Otherwise rightside butt would have cartouche and several markings which often got sanded off over the years.
Geoff
The reason I said they were confused is that it stated the rifle was sporterized during WWII for the Rangers (PCMR?) but then goes on to talk about the modern Rangers formed in 1947
Whom ever wrote this article does not have their history correct. I have written a short paper on the PCMR on my website. If you're interested have a read.
On August 12th, 1942 the Canadian Government activated the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers as a Corp of the Canadian Militia. This was cemented by a Provision of General Order 320. Organized as local defence units along military lines, the PCMR were to protect various points along British Columbia's Coast.
The PCMRs were stood down on September 30, 1945, having reached a top strength of 15,000 men.
If this chap is referring to the PCMR as Canadian Rangers, during this period, then he is being negligent to history. Canadian Rangers have never been a contingent of the Canadian Militia although counted (in my opinion for the wrong reasons) towards Canada's total available NATO strength.
During this period (1942 to 1945) the PCMR were issued the Model 94 Winchester as their main provision however there are documented cases of an aray of weapons such as the P14 & Sten Gun. I would not be suprised if this Ross was issued to the PCMR however if it is missing any C Broad Arrow marks them I'm sorry it was not. Certainly the government never sporterized these rifles for issue during WW2.
When the Canadian Rangers were activated in 1947 the Government did enlist a contract with Essential Agencies Ltd. to produce the Rangers and RCAF with a survival rifle commonly known as the EAL rifle. This is the only Canadian Ranger rifle I am aware of that was specifically manufactured for Canadian Ranger Use after 1947.
I'm not saying the Government would remanufacture a sporterized variant of the Ross rifle for Ranger applications however I would find it extremely unlikely. This particular rifle is, to me, just a sporterized Ross. I hope you did not pay a premium dollar for it.
Richard
On August 12th, 1942 the Canadian Government activated the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers as a Corp of the Canadian Militia. This was cemented by a Provision of General Order 320. Organized as local defence units along military lines, the PCMR were to protect various points along British Columbia's Coast.
The PCMRs were stood down on September 30, 1945, having reached a top strength of 15,000 men.
If this chap is referring to the PCMR as Canadian Rangers, during this period, then he is being negligent to history. Canadian Rangers have never been a contingent of the Canadian Militia although counted (in my opinion for the wrong reasons) towards Canada's total available NATO strength.
During this period (1942 to 1945) the PCMR were issued the Model 94 Winchester as their main provision however there are documented cases of an aray of weapons such as the P14 & Sten Gun. I would not be suprised if this Ross was issued to the PCMR however if it is missing any C Broad Arrow marks them I'm sorry it was not. Certainly the government never sporterized these rifles for issue during WW2.
When the Canadian Rangers were activated in 1947 the Government did enlist a contract with Essential Agencies Ltd. to produce the Rangers and RCAF with a survival rifle commonly known as the EAL rifle. This is the only Canadian Ranger rifle I am aware of that was specifically manufactured for Canadian Ranger Use after 1947.
I'm not saying the Government would remanufacture a sporterized variant of the Ross rifle for Ranger applications however I would find it extremely unlikely. This particular rifle is, to me, just a sporterized Ross. I hope you did not pay a premium dollar for it.
Richard
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I do not know for whom EAL manufactured their service pattern rifles. I do not know if these rifles were issued to the Rangers at the time the rifles were produced. I do know that I saw EAL rifles being issued to Ranger Patrols only after the supply of No. 4 rifles was exhausted. After a relatively short period the EALs in Ranger use were replaced with No. 4 rifles purchased on the market.
Were the EAL's you saw the civilian or military pattern?
Why a short period? Rangers were too hard on them?
In the mid- to late-1950s, an interesting variant of the No. 4 Mk I* was produced in Canada by the firm of Essential Agencies Limited (E.A.L.) of Toronto. Several thousand were manufactured, and at least 1000 were purchased by the Canadian government and issued to the Royal Canadian Air Force for use as a survival rifle, and to the Canadian Northern Rangers for use as a standard longarm.
I've added some more pictures to my Webshots album thumbnail link on my first post. You can see it from some different angles.
We got it for a reasonable amount. No scalping involved there.
We we told by an active CF armorer, an RSM I believe, to be on the look-out for these.
He has tried some he found in storage in various bases and all were very accurate once tighened and tuned. Some just had plain irons, some with various 4x, post recticle scopes. Some were with this same Nikko Sterling (Japan) scpoe. I guess the rangers didn't rate first line optics.
I believe he said none had serial numbers, I could be wrong on that.
He said many did not have the C arrowhead, or any unit markings on stock or metal. Since they were not main line weapons, there was no need for it.
We're very happy with it. Now I off to test if the Loctite will hold the bases poperly.
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Thanks for the pics - the rear sight base has been ground to an appropriate radius for a Weaver base. I'd be surprised if this was a military mod- the function of the rear sight is lost.
I have a similar one that was done by Epps, or so I was told. Yours is in good shape - let us know how it shoots?
I have a similar one that was done by Epps, or so I was told. Yours is in good shape - let us know how it shoots?
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Military pattern, with rear sight on the Nock's form. I do not think there were enough to maintain them as standard issue throughout the Ranger program. Where I was, they were quite unpopular. No. 4s were preferred. At any rate, they did not last very long as standard issue.
Recently acquired by my brother and myself.
Do you have any pics showing the whole rifle? How long is the barrel?
Ross
If you click on this:
you will be able to see the album with the pictures. There is one there of the full rifle. Click on those pictures and you will see larger versions.
Anyway, here you go:
Barrel is around 25.75 inches long, ± a few mils.
Ok then, on to accuracy.
1st, where I shot.
45-50 yards, indoors, dark.
Target and post reticle both fuzzy though the scope.
Will be easier at 100yds or more.
Ist Target
Center and top left target shot with Federal 180gr Power-Shok commercial loads with Speer Hot-cor soft point bullets. Center target shot first with cleaned, un-fouled barrel, three shots.
Then top left target with 3 more, same ammo.
Then shot top right target with 3 Federal 150gr soft point commercial load. All three shots where extreme top right corner.
Next three shots aimed at top right during sight corrections for 150gr load.
Then shot both of bottom targets, three each with the same 150gr load.
Adding the black patches help aiming, but still had to fight to get decent sight picture with fuzzy post reticle. I believe this rifle will easily shoot these groups at 100yds, or better with the same 4x scope. Should get 1/2 MOA with a 9x.
Mounts seem to be OK now. Once I get to shoot it outdoors, then we'll see if bedding has to be looked at.
Last targets shot:
A friend put two shots into bottom right target and I shot three into the middle target.
All of these the 150gr Federal load.
If you click on this:
you will be able to see the album with the pictures. There is one there of the full rifle. Click on those pictures and you will see larger versions.
Anyway, here you go:
Barrel is around 25.75 inches long, ± a few mils.
Ok then, on to accuracy.
1st, where I shot.
45-50 yards, indoors, dark.
Target and post reticle both fuzzy though the scope.
Will be easier at 100yds or more.
Ist Target
Center and top left target shot with Federal 180gr Power-Shok commercial loads with Speer Hot-cor soft point bullets. Center target shot first with cleaned, un-fouled barrel, three shots.
Then top left target with 3 more, same ammo.
Then shot top right target with 3 Federal 150gr soft point commercial load. All three shots where extreme top right corner.
Next three shots aimed at top right during sight corrections for 150gr load.
Then shot both of bottom targets, three each with the same 150gr load.
Adding the black patches help aiming, but still had to fight to get decent sight picture with fuzzy post reticle. I believe this rifle will easily shoot these groups at 100yds, or better with the same 4x scope. Should get 1/2 MOA with a 9x.
Mounts seem to be OK now. Once I get to shoot it outdoors, then we'll see if bedding has to be looked at.
Last targets shot:
A friend put two shots into bottom right target and I shot three into the middle target.
All of these the 150gr Federal load.
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