Above is the exchange, it may make more sense now.
I do understand the reason for a spare mag, I use to own a d.m. gun.
A spare mag is of no use for bear defense.
And back to our regularly scheduled program.
Rank these plastic stock stainless in terms of "value for money"
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Above is the exchange, it may make more sense now.
I do understand the reason for a spare mag, I use to own a d.m. gun.
A spare mag is of no use for bear defense.
And back to our regularly scheduled program.
If the bear is attacking your buddy, quick access to more ammo could be useful. Maybe not. I dunno, but I got it anyway.
If I get jumped by a bear I might get one shot off if I'm really doing good that day.
I've also seen some goofy crap where an elk is shot and then shot in the head, and then shot some more and the sucker will not stop going. My brothers both pumped this silly thing full of lead until I cut it's throat. Most kills are pretty clean but #### just goes sideways sometimes out there and having some extra ammo is smart in my books. I've even had Elk run like the dickens after a nice heart shot. Some of these guys are tough as nails. I suspect some guys just watch too much hunting channel where everything is edited. This stuff isn't always that smooth.
I actually ordered the mule deer rack that's in my avatar pic from the hunting channel. They have some really nice stuff.
I always wondered where to get those things
If your looking at those 4 rifles and planning on keeping the tupperware stock the only choice is the Savage with the accustock. All the others are cheap injection molded stocks that flex a lot. If your going to upgrade the stock, I believe the Remington is the way to go.
Neilm
Neilm
Sure the stock is a bit flexy but the suckers can shoot so who cares? The factory stock on the Tikka fits every part of it's purpose perfectly, light weight and accurate. This group measures 0.166" center to center from a bone stock Tikka T3 Lite 7mm Rem Mag. This particular gun was setup to shoot high and left on purpose (we'll leave that for another discussion). What more could you ask for out of $850?
Buy your Remington, buy a new stock, get the action trued (if not repaired), get a new trigger on warranty because of the recall, and get a new barrel and sure you'll be in the ballpark with a Tikka guaranteed, but it will still weigh more and you will be out way more than $850 after all the smithing and aftermarket parts. I like Remingtons design a lot, I will probably get a sick Remington 'style' build done at some point but the honest truth is it will be based off their general design but not left up to their current quality control management. They do not build to the same standard that the reputation was built on. Here are some Remington style riles I would love to own h ttp://beanlandrifles.com/index.php/recent-builds but none of these were touched by Remington's current QC thank god.
Savage, I really like Savage for a cost effective but deadly accurate target rifle. All it takes is a barrel swap and bedding and you have a tac driver.
They still have a rough clunky action, magazines that are very fussy to get engaged properly, and very heavy bolt lift.
Not a problem for target shooting but not great for hunting. They will absolutely kill stuff dead but since they are in the same price range so why not select a rifle with better hunting features and lighter weight?
My Browning experience is minimal.
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Possibly the Rem 700 Mountain SS bolt at MSRP $950 would have been a better comparison than the Rem 700 SPS stainless. Nonetheless, all of the comparison rifles will do what they are designed to do. However, in terms of value. The Browning X Bolt Stainless Stalker is a "buy, shoot, enjoy, clean, repeat" rifle. No tinkering, nothing to change, swap out, upgrade. Ues it and then hand it down to your son or daughter. They can use it the same way and, with good treatment, many years down the road they can hand it down to your grandkids. If something breaks, and stuff breaks, it is easy to get fixed. Essentially, many years from now it will work the same as it did when it was NIB and will still be enjoyed in the field or range. To me, that is value. The X Bolt may be a little bit more $$$ up front but the potential for many lifetimes of use and success, without needing to have additional $$$ spent on anything other than properly maintaining it, is there.
Personally, I think the Browning A Bolt II Stainless Stalker is the best value rifle. Too bad, they are no longer produced but well worth buying when found used if they have been properly maintained.
Best answer right there. I find that a large percentage of the Savage haters have never owned one and they think that they're all in the same league as an axis. I bought a 16fcss and an 11 LWH last year to see what the fuss was all about. No regrets on either. And the fcss with the accustock is the most accurate sporter type rifle with zero mods that I've ever owned. And there's no plastic other than the stuff wrapped around the aluminum chasis that is the stock
It would have then been the overwhelming #1 choice.
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In that price range you could throw in a M70 Extreme Weather as well. I think the M70 would edge out the rem for #1 choice.
A stainless #1 with a laminate stock, smooth quiet action. Put an Old English Decelerator on it. Comes with integral scope mount, uses excellent rings, doesn't need floorplates or spare mags, has a decent trigger. Nice easy lever to operate, easy to load. Better cartridge selections. Might need a tension screw in the forend. No action truing necessary, may require an extractor mod to change cartridges to a different head size.. Could polish the sear and lighten the hammer. If you have to have a fugly black plastic stock it can be had, but that is aftermarket.
Even with a fugly black plastic stock it has a cool factor unequalled by any of the above choices.
Even with a fugly black plastic stock it has a cool factor unequalled by any of the above choices.
Lol! That pretty much me....glad you took the time to notice.
That MSRP may be on Remington's US website in years past - they have just posted up the 2015 "adjustments" and it now has a MSRP of $1135 USD.
For 2015, with the dollar being trashed, the MSRP on this side of the border for the 700 Mountain/stainless is near $1500 bucks, so if you are "in the market" for one of these and you can find one at old price points you better buy it up - NOW.
Looking at the wholesale numbers I would say if you can even find one this year, with a pricetag "below" $1300 CDN you are getting a "super deal", if I was selling any of these based on this years orders, the pricetag would be a little north of $1300 in my showcases.
(A Winchester wasn't included in the "bunch" because there was zero availability from Browning Canada, who handles Winchester and I couldn't even get any idea of what they would be getting in and when, in terms of the Winchester line, but do agree, at least in the "catalog" Winchester has some decent offerings and their prices are at or below the midpoint of the competition in similar rifles and shotguns)
Except, as I posted earlier, the XCR II can be had in the mid $700 range. That gives you SS + tough anti-corrosion coating + 24" barrel in a package that weighs about 6.5lbs.
But it's "not black" is what I hear when I show a 700 Wood Tech etc.
Again, wanted to keep the comparison to Black stocks with Stainless barrels which is why the Weatherby Vanguard II/Stainless wasn't in the mix - it has a GREY stock (plus the fact that it sells for less than four I'm comparing) -
And will add, again, we have some "jet lag here".
The wholesale price "right now" or an XCR II is at least 200 bucks more than the price you quoted - the price on the shelf for 2015 I would expect to be in the very high 900 buck range, with places like Cabela's etc listing them just over the 1K mark.
Stand-by, more HUGE price increases are coming down the pipe... Current listing on the Remington US site (today)...
Our buck is in the tank and the mfg's are upping their prices - double whammy.
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I own a Browning Stainless Stalker for hunting in wet conditions on Vancouver Island and it is a great rifle for nasty conditions. The model was a shot show special from a few years back with fluted barrel and the carbon looking cover over the stock. It is not actually a carbon stock but is a nice stock. The other rifle that I have for comparison is a Sako Finnlight.
There is not a lot of love for Browning on CGN but if you take that action out of the stock you will see that the stock is rigid and glass bedded. The stock is very nice to carry in wet conditions and when thrashing through the bush. I also like the trigger, 60 degree bolt lift, target crown, recoil pad and excellent accuracy. The magazines are polymer and reasonable price compared to my Sako.
I have handled the other rifles and shot the Savage but don't have enough experience with them to really judge.
I can say that I prefer the Finnlight but the butt of the Sako stock does feel pretty hollow which the Browning does not. If you take the Sako out of the stock you will see that it is also an excellent stock, light and rigid. I thought I would sell the x-bolt but it is in a useful caliber and stands up pretty well next to the Sako.
There is not a lot of love for Browning on CGN but if you take that action out of the stock you will see that the stock is rigid and glass bedded. The stock is very nice to carry in wet conditions and when thrashing through the bush. I also like the trigger, 60 degree bolt lift, target crown, recoil pad and excellent accuracy. The magazines are polymer and reasonable price compared to my Sako.
I have handled the other rifles and shot the Savage but don't have enough experience with them to really judge.
I can say that I prefer the Finnlight but the butt of the Sako stock does feel pretty hollow which the Browning does not. If you take the Sako out of the stock you will see that it is also an excellent stock, light and rigid. I thought I would sell the x-bolt but it is in a useful caliber and stands up pretty well next to the Sako.
