RANT......Hey Westerners what the hell is a ky-ute?????

cdn1canhunt said:
After 14 pages about my post I'd just like to say this. It was mainly a comment in jest, and meant to spark some conversation but now it's what many consider to be a feud between East and West.

I read along about how we need unity and brotherhood in the hunting community, Agreed
My question to all of you that posted, have you ever thought about what you sound like to the non hunting public when we "poorly speak" about the sport we are all so passionate about?
We as hunters most often get painted with the uneducated slob hunter brush! Why not pronounce the animals name correctly to the nonhunting portion of the population as to not reinforce the stereotype? That was really my point. Jason Peterson I'm sure is a great guy, but as he has a TV program about hunting... does he not have a bit larger responsibility to portray a bit more intellect when he speaks on a broadcasted TV show. Then again don't we all, regional accent be dammed.
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Hunting shows are made for a targeted audience. I haven't met a NA hunter who didn't know what a Kii-ute was, or one that didn't know that there are many common pronuniations, or a westerner who cared how someone else pronounced a word. An international hunter will usually leap on the local name of anything and start using it himself. Just about the last thing we want to do is change anything, because it is the differences that make different areas special.

Do you think that you're the first person from ontario who decided to reach out to the west and tell us we were wrong about something? That's been going on for centuries. Are you surprised when the response loosely translates to "we don't care, what you think"? Actually if you weren't surprised you would be the exception, since it seems to be solidly embedded in the DNA. I doubt if you're even aware you're doing it.
 
2tall2 said:
Stating 4x4 is multiplication when counting anything. It equals 16.
You are counting, aren't you?
4+4 would make more sense.
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Everyone should know that "4x4" is spoken as "4 by 4". That's how everyone out here says it and everyone understands that it doesn't mean a 16-pointer. FFS.
 
BrotherRockeye said:
that anyone is arguing against that boggles the mind...

wonder if they pull over folks with 4x4 on their pickups and argue that it ain't a 16 wheeler...
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in reverence to a truck though, a 4x4 is 4 wheels with power. a 2x4 truck is a 4 wheeled truck with 2 wheels of power. mind you its all moot because unless you got a front locker, you might be lucky to have a 3x4. ha.
 
ironsighter said:
FFS.
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Lighten up, it's all in fun. As someone mentioned, every place has their own regional idiosyncrasies. No one is more right than the other.
I've lived in Ontario,Saskatchewan and Alberta. You learn the local terminology and go with it. Who cares? As the OP already said, he started the thread in jest, not to create an east vs west battle.
 
burnt_servo said:
be still my beating heart ..... they finally managed to balance their budget ?
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No. Sadly it's only because the Canadian average has dropped so badly, that Ontario is no longer qualified.
But, before the Lieberals destroyed Ontario, it was in fact the only province to have never received equalization.
 
Superbrad said:
How so?.... the deer in your example are 8 and 10 pointers...... how is your description better?

Most, if not all things that are numbered in description work this way....

Revolver - 6 shooter
Atv - 4 wheeler (not 2x2)
Engine - V6 (not 3x3)
Truck - 18 wheeler (not 9x9)

I could go on......

And your 2x4 analogy just proves the point..... a 2x4 is called a 2x4 because it refers to the surface area of the cut end..... (even though 2x4 are no longer 2x4)... it's called a "two by four" with the word "by" inferring multiplication..... Same as a 4x8 sheet of plywood...

In reality, I think local dialects and differences are cool...... I have a drawl local to my rural area, and I am am proud of it...... if you want to say 5x5, I know what you mean just like you know what I mean when I say 10 pointer......

Problems and conflicts don't start because people are different, that's what makes life interesting..... conflicts start when a person insists that only they are right.....
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If I specify 4x4, you know that each antler has 4 points.On the other hand a deer referred to as an 8 pointer may have 5 points on one antler, and 3 points on the other antler. Therefore 4x4 is a much better description of the antlers.
 
stubblejumper said:
If I specify 4x4, you know that each antler has 4 points.On the other hand a deer referred to as an 8 pointer may have 5 points on one antler, and 3 points on the other antler. Therefore 4x4 is a much better description of the antlers.
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Not particularily. Who really cares how many are on each side? I liked my Grandfathers analogy and methods much better. He RARELY brought the antlers out of the bush because as he said quartering and packing out the meat was the main focus and the antlers were nothing more than excess weight that made thin soup.
 
stubblejumper said:
If I specify 4x4, you know that each antler has 4 points.On the other hand a deer referred to as an 8 pointer may have 5 points on one antler, and 3 points on the other antler. Therefore 4x4 is a much better description of the antlers.
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yup

the spank said:
Not particularily. Who really cares how many are on each side? I liked my Grandfathers analogy and methods much better. He RARELY brought the antlers out of the bush because as he said quartering and packing out the meat was the main focus and the antlers were nothing more than excess weight that made thin soup.
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Everyone that hunts for trophy deer or cares about the bone on their head that's who.

A typical 5x5 would have few deductions if even, while a 10 point that is a 8x2 wouldn't.

Milo's "10 point" wouldn't be the record if it was a 4x6

That said, to each his own.

My old neighbor was a source of constant frustration for the younger guys around here who were out for a trophy rack. He would sit and watch the big fella everyone else was after, then phone and let them know about it.
He was a character, and when asked why he didn't shoot the big buck he always said, "you can't eat antlers" :)
 
the spank said:
Not particularily. Who really cares how many are on each side? I liked my Grandfathers analogy and methods much better. He RARELY brought the antlers out of the bush because as he said quartering and packing out the meat was the main focus and the antlers were nothing more than excess weight that made thin soup.
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In BC and maybe other places there are four point seasons. So a 6 point may or may not be legal. A 4x2 is legal but a 3x3 is not. So sometimes how you say it matters.
 
I think Mule Deer are 2x4, 3x3,4x4, etc....whitetails are a count of all points and the side by side count.
 
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