Rare '41 Tula 91/30

I would eventually want to get Mosin M1891 since that`s the rifle my great grandparents used to fight against the turks during the first world war...
that's why a Nagant 1895 and Mauser 96 are on my list
 
Someone nabbed it and doubled or tripled their money. I would have, but. Meh. Couldn't be bothered with 'investing' in firearms.

I must be looking at a different 91/30 from 1941, because that one is still there. Can't see anything relating to Tula on it though.
Long story short, it's already sold?
 
Rare 91/30 at Westrifle

We don't sell 91/30 for 600 dollars. Cheapest one is 185 free shipping. We just put many rifles that are rare and those are 200 and up. We have done it because many people asked for it to be posted.
Nobody Canadian would care enough to pay $ 600 for a 91/30. Of course, thats what I thought when I sold my m-38 for $200 two years ago. Either way, I ain't selling.
 
What happened to all the 1891's? Were they converted to 91/30's? Sold off a long time ago? Destroyed? I think I've seen an entire ONE since I've been on this site, and it was a Remington make. I've yet to see an Imperial Russian yet.
 
What happened to all the 1891's? Were they converted to 91/30's? Sold off a long time ago? Destroyed? I think I've seen an entire ONE since I've been on this site, and it was a Remington make. I've yet to see an Imperial Russian yet.

Yes, yes, and yes. Converted by the Soviets and the Finns, buried in muddy trenches, with any survivors having already been sucked up into collections. And Bubba, always Bubba. Gotta wait for somebody to die to get one now.

Sorry Folks can I get a bit of a history lesson please. Why did the Tula factory move in 41?

A little picnic called the Great Patriotic War. Nazees and Operation Barbarossa. Knocking on the gates of the Kremlin, and then turned right around.

(Pretty big gap in a history education if you haven't heard about the Big One…)
 
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What makes you think a 1941 Tula is rare?

The listing of rarities on 7.62x54R.net says so, and we must follow.

But really, it does seem that the German push into the Soviet Union did affect the numbers (as well as survivability of produced examples), and they made a lot of SVTs in '40-41 (including snipers), before they ramped up the simpler production of Mosins again.

They didn't evacuate Tula until almost the end of the year, so I suppose you might find an early '41 with reasonable finishing, and a much rarer one as Jerry was beating down the doors and the absolute minimum machining.
 
With millions of mosins and most selling around$140. Sorry buddy I don't care if they made 1 mosin that year. The word rare and mosin should not be in the same sentence or at all for that matter. Everybody and their dog has a mosin and most bought atleast one just to round out their collection. Svt-40 is rare especially only some hat 6 ports and some had 2 ports some snipers. That is what is worth something and the svt-40 will be worth more than a garand in 10 years.
 
I found a 1941 dated Finnish M91 at a gun show yesterday. Lovely bore. Going to go shoot some lovingly prepared hand loads today :)

I'm still pondering one of West Rifles uncommon ones. Even if the collector value may or may not be there in future, they have the look that makes one wonder as to their history, and isn't that why we buy them? Bubba notwithstanding

West Rifle also did me a solid in the customer service dept last week, so I'd like to give them some business.
 
With millions of mosins and most selling around$140. Sorry buddy I don't care if they made 1 mosin that year. The word rare and mosin should not be in the same sentence or at all for that matter. Everybody and their dog has a mosin and most bought atleast one just to round out their collection. Svt-40 is rare especially only some hat 6 ports and some had 2 ports some snipers. That is what is worth something and the svt-40 will be worth more than a garand in 10 years.

You think that way because you look at the the article instead of the history behind it. The svt40's impact on history is insignificant compared to the poor disrespected mosin. As for not being rare, could you spare me a 27rv carbine? I need one to round out my collection.
 
Produced quantity of 1941 Tula Mosins is very low, comparing to other years. As it was already noted, most of observed examples are build at Izhevsk receviers.
Since middle 1940, when mass production of SVT-40 was started, quantity of produced Mosins decreased greatly. And plant #314 (Tula) was main factory for SVT production.
Izhevsk 1941 rifles are much more common.
Plant #314 was evacuated to Mednogorsk in Autumn, 1941, and they never produced Mosins after this.
Production of Mosins was restored at new factory (which was created from rests of machinery, that was not evacuated) #536, and first 1080 rifles were produced in February, 1942.
 
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I suppose 'rare' is not the word. Perhaps 'desirable' as to the history behind it. It's and oddity of a 91/30. The recorded number of '41 Tulas produced is around 600,000 rifles, yet they are hard to find in comparison to other wartime M-Ns. It seems many of these went directly to the frontline and lost. It makes sence in my mind if you look at the logistics of the situation. The Germans are coming, you need rifles so you get them from the nearest source.

I have been scannning Westrifle since the new imports arrived. Out of the 100 or so rifles listed. I have seen only one '41 Tula so far.

I think desporterizer got it. If so, some pictures. From what I saw, it had some very rough machining.
 
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What is the source of this information?

600 000 rifles - is a planned quantity of produced rifles for 1941 for both factories

My source could and might be incorrect.


I did buy it. I would be willing to bet it is build on an Izhevsk receiver as I have an early 42 tula & it has all pre-war construction.

Time will tell.
 
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