Raven 9mm by Lockhart Tactical or Kriss Vector?

I think they're all pretty steep for what they are: One of the most primitive types of semi automatic firearm action ever designed. And so many of them come with known issues, it should be embarrassing. But high demand means that manufacturers will sell as many as they can, for as much as they can, regardless. At least the Kriss Vector has a more refined type of action, and a reputation for reliability and good QC.

I'm hoping that refinements to this class of firearm are on the horizon, but that's probably wishful thinking.

You may be right. Few offerings nowadays are not without their quirks and possibly their shortcomings. Perhaps we as consumers have become complacent in almost expecting problems. We have all heard of those appliances from 50 years ago that may still run, but you buy a Samsung dishwasher in the past 15 years - likely you have replaced it a couple of times (or in my case, 4). A repair guy once told me things are not engineered to last decades like they used to be. I am not sure if firearms are any different but certainly what was once a higher degree of worksmanship seems to now be in favour for expedient production.

I owned a KV and never really was completely sold on it (of course, unfortunately I was dumb and ignorant and overpaid for it) - the goofy aesthetics seemed ultimately to be more of a novelty than anything else. The Sub2000 was the same for me - folding was fine and neat but after a while actual functionality and usability issues (for me) trumped the novelty folding thing.

While I never owned one, I have heard from multiple people that the CZ Scorpion Evo3 was one of the best offerings in the PCC market in recent member in terms of sheer reliability - unfortunately unless the OIC gets turned over, I'll never get a chance to validate this myself. That said I am glad that there are more offerings like the Raven on the horizon. Certainly even if something more gimmicky like that POF Tomestone show up, at the very least it is a company trying something new so I will have to give them that.

Buying Canadian is also very compelling to me. Was looking at a Crusader K9 but the price was just hard to swallow. I agree with you - for what we are getting it is probably all overpriced, but what isn't nowadays. I remember getting my original 10/22 for under $200 and thinking that was expensive compared to my Savage which was even less. I never in a million years thought I would spend $500 for a firearms, much less over $1000.
 
Well I got a surpeise when I read some of the above comments regarding the Raven.

A buddy of mine has one over it Kitimat. I didn't shoot it but wow. He has about every option they offer on the gun. Price just north of $2,700 plus tax of course. The gun starts out at around $1,400 Cdn but add this and you have to have that and the other is a must have at you get to $2,700 in a hurray. Not sure for most of us mortals the basic gun is all we need but we all know the difference between men and boys it the cost of their toys.....

The gun seemed to be very well made. The gun functions well and accuracy is dependent on who is holding the gun. Basically it looked like the bullet goes where the sights are aiming which is about all you can expect - see pics posted above. Despite the comment above, I may go down the rabbit hole and buy one later this year. $2,700 yikes, she who knows best might be on the phone to her lawyer or our doctor if I drop the card down for one. From afar you could not tell the difference between my FX9 and the Raven other than the Raven works and the FX 9 tries to work.

Thegazelle you are spot on in your comments above. There is really no excuse though for a gun like the FX9 to come out with a poorly engineered bolt open arm. I know the cure for yours was to bend the arm some how. If you look at the way the follower is supposed to hit the arm on the FX 9 the arm needs to be longer - but that cant be done as it would get in the way of the rising cartridges. The could nake the arm thicker as in the same length just make the tip deeper to the follower would hit is sooner and the issue I think would be resolved. I expect such a move for a small company would be an added cost they cannot justify. Some guns work fine others not so much. If the CZ Scorpian ever gets out of jail just buy one. They are excellent carbines. I may or may not have the rifle version with an 18.5" barrel and it is well made and it works all the time every time. And accurate, hell even this old fart (me) can do well with the gun. One of our guys has the shorter version and before the ban he ran his like a Singer sewing machine on steroids in IDPA PCC Division.

For my FX 9 when it comes back i'll remount the Primary Arms SLX micro Prism on the gun. This sight is easily the best optic i have run into. Nothing wrong with a Spac11 of Crossfire or Romeo 5's my other guns carry but with my eyes the prism sight with a 6MOA works well. Thanks Marstar for the recommendation. The sight costs more and you get more.

Take Care

Bob
 
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